<div dir="ltr">Yes, Ronald, tell us. ARE YOU OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY?<div><br></div><div>(Sheesh, this thread is getting ridiculous.)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:31 PM, openfly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:openfly@xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd" target="_blank">openfly@xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Ronald man, aren't you an informant?<br>
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<a href="http://www.reverse.net/operationcyberslam.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.reverse.net/operationcyberslam.pdf</a><br>
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-openfly<br>
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 08:26:51PM -0700, Ronald Cotoni wrote:<br>
> Also, Jake. It looks like Tor is partially funded by the US Government.<br>
> <a href="https://www.torproject.org/about/sponsors.html.en" target="_blank">https://www.torproject.org/about/sponsors.html.en</a> Does this make you a fed?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Ronald Cotoni <<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > I was at the meeting for banning josh. Initially it was consensed upon 2<br>
> > or 3 times but I kept continuing the discussion (as I was moderating).<br>
> > It was decided to put it off till the next week and I thought it was. I<br>
> > had 3 stand asides originally, including James. I kept asking because it<br>
> > felt like you wanted someone else to block and no one would actually do it.<br>
> > That was mildly unexcellent behavior.<br>
> ><br>
> > As for the membership list, I think Tom removed the consensus item to<br>
> > rethink it or perhaps make it a board based decision.<br>
> ><br>
> > Leif, please reread that email I sent to Jake. I want to respond in a<br>
> > less emotional manner so I plan on responding later. Basic thing: I<br>
> > believe that law enforcement (with our current society and the way humanity<br>
> > currently exists) should be contacted on a case by case basis. I would<br>
> > contact law enforcement if I found a dead body for example. That makes<br>
> > sense to me. lets talk sometime!<br>
> ><br>
> > Jake same to you as to what I said to Leif. I do respect you but lets<br>
> > come up with solutions and find better ways.<br>
> ><br>
> > I think I will write a not emotional blog post at some point addressing<br>
> > both of you since I completely agree with both of you in that is the way<br>
> > humanity should be and how I think we can get to that point.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:12 PM, maestro <<a href="mailto:maestro415@gmail.com" target="_blank">maestro415@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> +1...<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Message ends<br>
> >> _______________<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Leif Ryge <<a href="mailto:leif@synthesize.us" target="_blank">leif@synthesize.us</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 01:18:11AM -0700, Tom Lowenthal wrote:<br>
> >> >> I think that the criticisms in your message are aimed at me. If<br>
> >> >> they're not, and it's someone else you're calling an awful person, a<br>
> >> >> petty tinpot dictator, an informant, an infiltrator, a lazy and<br>
> >> >> incompetent hijacker with awful intentions, then I apologise. Sadly, I<br>
> >> >> think you're talking about me.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I think the informant part, at least, was likely referring to Ronald<br>
> >> Cotoni<br>
> >> > (who you and Al decided was a member over my objections[1]) since he is<br>
> >> > actually known to have been an FBI informant[2].<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > 1:<br>
> >> <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-February/042246.html" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-February/042246.html</a><br>
> >> > 2:<br>
> >> <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-April/030267.html" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-April/030267.html</a><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I do think you're acting like a dictator. I don't have any reason to<br>
> >> believe<br>
> >> > you're a state-sponsored infiltrator, other than that your actions are<br>
> >> > consistent with someone intent on destroying a community organization<br>
> >> and that<br>
> >> > is a thing states sometimes covertly do. It also seems plausible that<br>
> >> you're<br>
> >> > just doing this for the lulz.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I appreciate and agree with Rachel1.0's recent "assume good faith"<br>
> >> message, and<br>
> >> > I generally try to do that. Unfortunately, I stopped doing that with<br>
> >> you, Tom,<br>
> >> > sometime last year when you told me quite plainly, in the context of a<br>
> >> > discussion about creating new policies at Noisebridge, that you are a<br>
> >> "giant<br>
> >> > troll". You literally said to me "You do know that I'm a giant troll,<br>
> >> don't<br>
> >> > you?". (I was surprised to learn this, and said as much.)<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I regret that I haven't spent much of my recent time and energy on<br>
> >> preventing<br>
> >> > your bureaucratic process-trolling of Noisebridge. Living far away, as<br>
> >> I do<br>
> >> > now, has a lot to do with it, but I do still love Noisebridge and it<br>
> >> saddens me<br>
> >> > to watch your attempts at destroying it.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > My recommendation to the members of Noisebridge is to have a new board<br>
> >> > election, and elect people who aren't process fetishists. You shouldn't<br>
> >> need<br>
> >> > Tom's permission to do this, though I expect he'll tell you that you do.<br>
> >> > Removing Tom's membership would also be prudent, since he has clearly<br>
> >> shown<br>
> >> > that he doesn't respect our consensus process.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > ~leif<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > ps: what's the story here?<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Consensus_Items_History&diff=40845&oldid=40844" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Consensus_Items_History&diff=40845&oldid=40844</a><br>
> >> ><br>
> >><br>
> >> --<br>
> >><br>
</div></div>> >> *~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*<br>
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> >><br>
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