<p dir="ltr">Or, you jellospines could KICK THEM OUT, and not cut off your noses to spite your face, oh my god! Haven't you had enough comedically avoidant situations without this becoming another punchline?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Tell them Noisebridge is not an all purpose community space. Tell them they are a crowd of leeches, but without the historical woo-medical benefits. Be prepare for them to delay and string you along with bullshit promises to do better, making it awkward to say no. Tell them to fuck off and try their participatory approach in 6 months. </p>
<p dir="ltr">They've been punted out of far more assertive, self aware spaces than Noisebridge - this sort of group is well armed with delay and deflect skills. Easier to as forgiveness than permission? Ha, they don't even have to ask forgiveness from you, suckers.</p>
<p dir="ltr">(when I come back from New York City, I'm gonna bring a whole bunch more attitude and make even fewer friends, wow...)</p>
<p dir="ltr">On Apr 1, 2014 9:11 AM, "Will Sargent" <<a href="mailto:will.sargent@gmail.com">will.sargent@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I'm for the idea. Disconnecting the stove is something that's been done in the past, and it's worked well.<br>
><br>
> Will.<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Gregory Dillon <<a href="mailto:gregorydillon@gmail.com">gregorydillon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Tonight was definitely an example when the kitchen usage was an extreme problem.<br>
>><br>
>> I was in Jeffrey's class tonight, and like he said, the burnt food smoke and stink was so strong that my eyes were watery. I felt like a headache coming on and it made it difficult to pay attention in class. <br>
>><br>
>> I'm sure a lot of work went into building the kitchen, and so I do feel it would be a shame to pull it out. Maybe for a month or two the stove could be disconnected and the lightweight kitchen items be removed, and only returned if the entire space can be stabilized.<br>
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>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I don't believe Noisebridge needs a kitchen for that reason.<br>
>>><br>
>>> People are messy and leave pots, pans, glasses, silverware, etc. all over the place. If, like many offices that have kitchens, it was professionally regularly cleaned, then maybe it would better serve people who are "hackers" (an impossible distinction to make). It's one thing for well-meaning people to use the kitchen and go back to doing what they were doing, it's another to get them to reliably clean it when done.<br>
>>><br>
>>> In the kitchen's current state, it only seems to be used by and for people who otherwise don't have access to kitchens for non-hacking purposes. I do not believe this benefits or furthers the cause of the space at all.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Bring back the oyster mushroom shelves. Let's pickle some stuff that shouldn't be pickled. Skittle vodka. But since no one is jumping on some real opportunities, I think the space could be better used for non-food-related tools and projects.<br>
>>><br>
>>> P.S. I taught my class around the corner from the kitchen this evening and someone burned the fuck out of<br>
>>> some meat. It was smoky and smelled horrible. My students were visibly uncomfortable.<br>
>>> Jeffrey<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:31 PM, spinach williams <<a href="mailto:spinach.williams@gmail.com">spinach.williams@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>>><br>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2014 8:21 PM, "Al Sweigart" <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> >the kitchen is sole cause of the huge rodent problem at Noisebridge, I don't see why Noisebridge continues to have a full kitchen with stove. (Actually, yes I do. Because consensus prevents any attempt to remove or regulate it.<br>
>>>> could be some folks like having a kitchen? folks dig cooking for themselves to fuel their all day hacking rather than spending cash on prepared meals? usually when i go, it's hackers using the kitchen, when taking a needed break from their projects. why so eager to take away people's say in the space, anyway?<br>
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