<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">so uh</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Clean-Dirty-Dishwasher-Indicator/dp/B00004XSF9/">http://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Clean-Dirty-Dishwasher-Indicator/dp/B00004XSF9/</a></div>

<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">in the same vein, a reminder sign reminding people to scrape their dishes before putting them in the dishwasher.  </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">

<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir="ltr">Agreed. And there's the even simpler problem of not having a single, easy-to-follow system to determine whether the contents are clean or not. Still interested in hearing how the first one went away. This is obviously out of date:<div>



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On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Norman Bradley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pryankster@gmail.com" target="_blank">pryankster@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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    <div>The problem I see with a dishwasher is
      that if people "don't know how to wash a disk" then they will most
      likely won't scrape off the dishes before putting in the washer.
      Repeatedly fixing a plugged up washer can get quite expensive.<br>
      <pre cols="72">You are entitled to your own opinion.
You are NOT entitled to your own facts.

Norman</pre><div><div>
      On 4/3/2014 3:28 PM, daravinne wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">i said it on the other thread and i will say it
        again.
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        <div>DISHWASHER</div>
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        <div>every company i've worked at has a dishwasher.  i hate
          washing dishes, myself.  i don't want to waste time away from
          projects to do boring manual labor like washing dishes.  and
          look! we have the technology to make dishes be washed
          themselves!</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for
          the space. <br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM,
              Naomi Gmail <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                point of information:<br>
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                sudo room has a dishwasher.<br>
                <span><font color="#888888"><br>
                    --Naomi<br>
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                    > On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
                    ><br>
                    > I have no problem believing that some people
                    don't know how to get<br>
                    > dishes clean.  I have seen that happen many
                    times in my various shared<br>
                    > living situations.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Asserting that people "should not" do a thing
                    if they are ignorant of<br>
                    > something is basically a nonstarter.  I don't
                    know how to read what's<br>
                    > available in people's brains as they take a
                    glass from the shelf and<br>
                    > pour a drink.  Do you?<br>
                    ><br>
                    > --Naomi<br>
                    ><br>
                    ><br>
                    >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah
                    Grimm <<a href="mailto:dharlette@gmail.com" target="_blank">dharlette@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
                    >> "2) There is no clear understanding of how
                    to properly use the kitchen. The<br>
                    >> average person in the kitchen does not
                    understand how to wash a dish and has<br>
                    >> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a
                    couple people are mobilized to<br>
                    >> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no
                    greater community understanding."<br>
                    >><br>
                    >> Excuse me, what?  Dishwashing is a very
                    simple thing.  We should not have to<br>
                    >> teach people how to wash the dishes.  If
                    you do not know how to wash your<br>
                    >> own dishes, then you should not be using a
                    community kitchen.<br>
                    >><br>
                    >><br>
                    >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen
                    Sinha <<a href="mailto:dmhomee@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmhomee@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
                    >>><br>
                    >>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH
                    COMMUNITY BUILDING<br>
                    >>><br>
                    >>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these
                    conversations and understanding and<br>
                    >>> getting past preconceptions of each
                    other and reporting back is really<br>
                    >>> really important foundational work.
                     Big plus!!!<br>
                    >>><br>
                    >>><br>
                    >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James
                    Sundquist <<a href="mailto:sundquistjames@gmail.com" target="_blank">sundquistjames@gmail.com</a>><br>
                    >>> wrote:<br>
                    >>>><br>
                    >>>> Last night there was a lengthy
                    discussion about communal usage of the<br>
                    >>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted
                    from 9 - 11:30.  Coffee and cake were<br>
                    >>>> served.  We talked about do-ocracy,
                    responsibility, and how to have<br>
                    >>>> effective communication about the
                    kitchen.<br>
                    >>>><br>
                    >>>> A big take away was that people
                    need to talk about this in-person and<br>
                    >>>> consider how it impacts everyone,
                    because removing the kitchen will not<br>
                    >>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by
                    itself.  I just want to note that this<br>
                    >>>> really was a discussion, which
                    included everyone being able to speak their<br>
                    >>>> mind while being respected; the
                    point of talking was to gain perspective by<br>
                    >>>> asking questions rather than
                    talking over others.<br>
                    >>>><br>
                    >>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of
                    the kitchen do not respect you is<br>
                    >>>> because they do not know you or
                    feel any connection in the space without a<br>
                    >>>> communal kitchen.  Any valid
                    concerns of those who want to disable are<br>
                    >>>> unknown to the daily users of the
                    kitchen.<br>
                    >>>><br>
                    >>>> 2) There is no clear understanding
                    of how to properly use the kitchen.<br>
                    >>>> The average person in the kitchen
                    does not understand how to wash a dish and<br>
                    >>>> has an opportunity to be taught.
                    Once again a couple people are mobilized to<br>
                    >>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there
                    is no greater community understanding.<br>
                    >>>><br>
                    >>>> 3) It is difficult to know how
                    capable we all are of having a respectful<br>
                    >>>> conversation to allows people to
                    maintain their dignity, because community<br>
                    >>>> building should be the goal when
                    people are in conflict.<br>
                    >>>><br>
                    >>>> 4) A big part of this as I
                    understood it was reassessing how people are<br>
                    >>>> introduced to this space.  Example,
                    "Welcome to Noisebridge; we're a 501c3<br>
                    >>>> Non-profit that encourages
                    education and learning by doing.  This is a<br>
                    >>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base
                    minimum you're expected to wash your own<br>
                    >>>> dishes and keep your work area
                    clean for the next person."<br>
                    >>>><br>
                    >>>>
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                    ><br>
                    > --<br>
                    > Naomi Theora Most<br>
                    > <a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi@nthmost.com</a><br>
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