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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The problem I see with a dishwasher is
that if people "don't know how to wash a disk" then they will most
likely won't scrape off the dishes before putting in the washer.
Repeatedly fixing a plugged up washer can get quite expensive.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">You are entitled to your own opinion.
You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
Norman</pre>
On 4/3/2014 3:28 PM, daravinne wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">i said it on the other thread and i will say it
again.
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<div>DISHWASHER</div>
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<div>every company i've worked at has a dishwasher. i hate
washing dishes, myself. i don't want to waste time away from
projects to do boring manual labor like washing dishes. and
look! we have the technology to make dishes be washed
themselves!</div>
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<div>I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for
the space. <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM,
Naomi Gmail <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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point of information:<br>
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sudo room has a dishwasher.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--Naomi<br>
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> On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> I have no problem believing that some people
don't know how to get<br>
> dishes clean. I have seen that happen many
times in my various shared<br>
> living situations.<br>
><br>
> Asserting that people "should not" do a thing
if they are ignorant of<br>
> something is basically a nonstarter. I don't
know how to read what's<br>
> available in people's brains as they take a
glass from the shelf and<br>
> pour a drink. Do you?<br>
><br>
> --Naomi<br>
><br>
><br>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah
Grimm <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dharlette@gmail.com">dharlette@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> "2) There is no clear understanding of how
to properly use the kitchen. The<br>
>> average person in the kitchen does not
understand how to wash a dish and has<br>
>> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a
couple people are mobilized to<br>
>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no
greater community understanding."<br>
>><br>
>> Excuse me, what? Dishwashing is a very
simple thing. We should not have to<br>
>> teach people how to wash the dishes. If
you do not know how to wash your<br>
>> own dishes, then you should not be using a
community kitchen.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen
Sinha <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dmhomee@gmail.com">dmhomee@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH
COMMUNITY BUILDING<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these
conversations and understanding and<br>
>>> getting past preconceptions of each
other and reporting back is really<br>
>>> really important foundational work.
Big plus!!!<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James
Sundquist <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sundquistjames@gmail.com">sundquistjames@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Last night there was a lengthy
discussion about communal usage of the<br>
>>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted
from 9 - 11:30. Coffee and cake were<br>
>>>> served. We talked about do-ocracy,
responsibility, and how to have<br>
>>>> effective communication about the
kitchen.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> A big take away was that people
need to talk about this in-person and<br>
>>>> consider how it impacts everyone,
because removing the kitchen will not<br>
>>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by
itself. I just want to note that this<br>
>>>> really was a discussion, which
included everyone being able to speak their<br>
>>>> mind while being respected; the
point of talking was to gain perspective by<br>
>>>> asking questions rather than
talking over others.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of
the kitchen do not respect you is<br>
>>>> because they do not know you or
feel any connection in the space without a<br>
>>>> communal kitchen. Any valid
concerns of those who want to disable are<br>
>>>> unknown to the daily users of the
kitchen.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 2) There is no clear understanding
of how to properly use the kitchen.<br>
>>>> The average person in the kitchen
does not understand how to wash a dish and<br>
>>>> has an opportunity to be taught.
Once again a couple people are mobilized to<br>
>>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there
is no greater community understanding.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 3) It is difficult to know how
capable we all are of having a respectful<br>
>>>> conversation to allows people to
maintain their dignity, because community<br>
>>>> building should be the goal when
people are in conflict.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 4) A big part of this as I
understood it was reassessing how people are<br>
>>>> introduced to this space. Example,
"Welcome to Noisebridge; we're a 501c3<br>
>>>> Non-profit that encourages
education and learning by doing. This is a<br>
>>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base
minimum you're expected to wash your own<br>
>>>> dishes and keep your work area
clean for the next person."<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>
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