<div dir="ltr">A dishwasher sounds great, I'd chip in for one too.<div><br></div><div>I don't believe this will at all help the fact that the space is used as a community kitchen, but whether the dishwasher cleans plates used for that or just used for drinking coffee and eating snacks, I'm all for it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Dana seems to suggest that Noisebridge once had a dishwasher. In fact, I might remember it as well. What happened to it? Got busted? If so, how?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:28 PM, daravinne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daravinne@gmail.com" target="_blank">daravinne@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">i said it on the other thread and i will say it again.<div><br></div><div>DISHWASHER</div><div><br></div><div>every company i've worked at has a dishwasher. i hate washing dishes, myself. i don't want to waste time away from projects to do boring manual labor like washing dishes. and look! we have the technology to make dishes be washed themselves!</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for the space. <div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Naomi Gmail <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Btw, point of information:<br>
<br>
sudo room has a dishwasher.<br>
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--Naomi<br>
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> On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get<br>
> dishes clean. I have seen that happen many times in my various shared<br>
> living situations.<br>
><br>
> Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are ignorant of<br>
> something is basically a nonstarter. I don't know how to read what's<br>
> available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and<br>
> pour a drink. Do you?<br>
><br>
> --Naomi<br>
><br>
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>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm <<a href="mailto:dharlette@gmail.com" target="_blank">dharlette@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the kitchen. The<br>
>> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish and has<br>
>> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized to<br>
>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community understanding."<br>
>><br>
>> Excuse me, what? Dishwashing is a very simple thing. We should not have to<br>
>> teach people how to wash the dishes. If you do not know how to wash your<br>
>> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha <<a href="mailto:dmhomee@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmhomee@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and understanding and<br>
>>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back is really<br>
>>> really important foundational work. Big plus!!!<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist <<a href="mailto:sundquistjames@gmail.com" target="_blank">sundquistjames@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Last night there was a lengthy discussion about communal usage of the<br>
>>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30. Coffee and cake were<br>
>>>> served. We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how to have<br>
>>>> effective communication about the kitchen.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this in-person and<br>
>>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the kitchen will not<br>
>>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself. I just want to note that this<br>
>>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able to speak their<br>
>>>> mind while being respected; the point of talking was to gain perspective by<br>
>>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect you is<br>
>>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the space without a<br>
>>>> communal kitchen. Any valid concerns of those who want to disable are<br>
>>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the kitchen.<br>
>>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish and<br>
>>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized to<br>
>>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community understanding.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a respectful<br>
>>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity, because community<br>
>>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how people are<br>
>>>> introduced to this space. Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge; we're a 501c3<br>
>>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing. This is a<br>
>>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to wash your own<br>
>>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."<br>
>>>><br>
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