<div dir="ltr">This is an easy question. �Everyone can be considered a hacker, however a hacker cannot do anything they want at Noisebridge. �Living at Noisebridge is one of these things. �<div><br></div><div>It will be easier to define the purpose of Noisebridge when its members are not performing the unwanted actions. �When people are not living at Noisebridge, the only reason for them to visit the space will be to actually perform "hacking".</div>
<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:13 PM, openfly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:openfly@xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd" target="_blank">openfly@xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Naomi is asking the big question. �The MOST important question facing noisebridge today.<br>
<br>
"Who is a hacker?"<br>
<br>
The problem noisebridge has is that there are folks taking advantage of it. �There is a<br>
belief that the originally vague mission of noisebridge is no longer up to the task of<br>
furthering the goal of being a 'hackerspace'. �And there are folks who want to perform<br>
major policy updates to the mission and general structure of noisebridge. �At the heart<br>
of all of this is this one simple question.<br>
<br>
"Who is a hacker?"<br>
<br>
And to answer this simple question, at least as far as it relates to noisebridge, is to<br>
answer this other question...<br>
<br>
"What is the mission of noisebridge, today?"<br>
<br>
Answer those two questions now. �Or you are all fucked. �And noisebridge will implode.<br>
<br>
And these aren't simple questions. �The reality is, if you answer them right, you are<br>
going to lose a lot of members and piss a lot of people off. �Because what you'll be<br>
doing in effect by limiting the vague scope of what noisebridge is, is telling people<br>
that they do not belong. �That they are no longer a part of the noisebridge community.<br>
And that's going to hurt.<br>
<br>
So all this bickering about kitchens, about ban rules, about whether or not the space<br>
should stay open late. � All of this is dancing around the very core issue.<br>
<br>
Many feel the mission of noisebridge has failed. �They want to redefine it. �In doing<br>
this, they will limit the future scope of the mission, and the community. �And that<br>
means... not just the folks who are leeches on the community, but contributors, and<br>
die hard believers will find themselves no longer welcome. �And they will fight<br>
bitterly to avoid that.<br>
<br>
<br>
So, as Naomi asked. �"Who is a hacker?"<br>
<br>
What the fuck is the purpose of Noisebridge today. �And what do you want it to be<br>
tomorrow. �Hold no punches. �It's time to decide what the fuck you people are about.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
-openfly<br>
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On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 04:04:30PM -0700, Naomi Most wrote:<br>
> Mmkay.<br>
><br>
> >Food Hacking, or just feeding the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.<br>
><br>
> Who is a hacker?<br>
><br>
> > Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at NB???<br>
><br>
> Who is "we" and do you have any suggestions for how to not "let"<br>
> people squat at NB?<br>
><br>
> --Naomi<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Oren Beck <<a href="mailto:orenbeck@gmail.com">orenbeck@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > �New approaches=MINE... to "Kitchen Misuse" and the Squatter Gaming.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Simply craft a layered approach of power/water/fridge securing methods and<br>
> > thence empower the Excellent Uses to be Unsullied by Unexcellent Misusers.<br>
> > Oh- do contemplate the additional layer of a PERMANENT BAN NEEDING SUPER<br>
> > MAJORITY TO LIFT for anyone tampering/disabling the lock outs... Means-<br>
> > yeah- you break some rules and it's _game over- no replay. A place upon the<br>
> > wall of Permaban for THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE. �Because- a misused kitchen<br>
> > can burn the space down/ get the lease lifted and so on. Same with<br>
> > Squatters.<br>
> ><br>
> > Let Grandpa shout softly a few unpopular truths and NB might learn from my<br>
> > Life Experience Points...<br>
> ><br>
> > The fix vectors I am suggesting neatly could grant balance to the Excellent<br>
> > folks whilst providing an instrumental path to banishing the Un-excellent.<br>
> > Giving up the utility of a kitchen is surrender!<br>
> ><br>
> > Will we surrender one more facet of HACKING? �Food Hacking, or just feeding<br>
> > the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT. �I may need to repeat this a bit-<br>
> > NB either is a HACKERSPACE or a SHELTER- we cannot serve both paths.. If<br>
> > consensus wishes to murder NB on that path So be it but not by my words or<br>
> > deeds.<br>
> ><br>
> > � Who of us � is sanely �opposed to telling squatters that MIS-use is<br>
> > prohibited un-excellent conduct=a ticket OUT of NB is surrender to THEM?<br>
> > Really- READ the star bracketed text �several times �FOR A SANITY CHECK...<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ***The folks who sweat blood and tears to keep NB alive deserve to use a<br>
> > Kitchen if they want to. �This ain't a class caste struggle game- it's about<br>
> > keeping this space alive and welcoming to honorable HACKERS. Including the<br>
> > Honorable HACKERS having a REAL KITCHEN instead of fracking surrendering to<br>
> > ANYONE. ***<br>
> ><br>
> > �I've empathy for the less fortunate and am damned mindful that many of us<br>
> > are one disaster away from homeless. I ain't basing my rants on any desire<br>
> > but THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.. The Needy can be better literally served if<br>
> > we uplift Homo Rarely Sapient to where hunger is obsolete.<br>
> ><br>
> > �I live in Kansas City for many reasons including to NOT be a Squatter in an<br>
> > unafforadable city,. Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at<br>
> > NB??? Fer Darwin's sake folks- Either NB is PRIMARILY A HACKERSPACE quite<br>
> > irrespective of Kitchen or �not... and if NB"s held as NOT for HACKING FIRST<br>
> > do consider that �we re-charter as "Something Else" �for reals.<br>
> ><br>
> > �ARE we going to really overtly say that Squatters get to displace<br>
> > HACKERS???<br>
> ><br>
> > �DO NOT__***EVER*** empower perps to make us diminish OUR capabilities!! .<br>
> > The kitchen should STAY for use by the Excellent Hackers.- the Misusers can<br>
> > Go to Nifleheim/Gehenna/dev null etc and my empathy- or situational lack of<br>
> > same- is based on their actions.<br>
> ><br>
> > �Please- If you wish to be the keeper of the less fortunate's larder- do so<br>
> > on YOUR money etc.<br>
> ><br>
> > Teal Deer: They win at gaming us to become less everytime we remove<br>
> > "something" �in �reactive mode- to their crap.<br>
> ><br>
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