<p dir="ltr">The Noisebridge drinking game: every time someone requests the definition of "hacker" or "hacking", take a shot.</p>
<p dir="ltr">It's also a convenient way to derail threads.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 4, 2014 2:38 PM, "Dean Mao" <<a href="mailto:dean.mao@hackerdojo.com">dean.mao@hackerdojo.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">That's your opinion that my definition is wrong. I'm just stating the obvious facts. <div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:52 PM, openfly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:openfly@xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd" target="_blank">openfly@xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You called it an easy question then proceeded to get the answer completely wrong.<br>
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Love it.<br>
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Failure is great guys. Everyone give it a go. You might learn something.<br>
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-openfly<br>
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On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 12:36:22PM -0700, Dean Mao wrote:<br>
> This is an easy question. Everyone can be considered a hacker, however a<br>
> hacker cannot do anything they want at Noisebridge. Living at Noisebridge<br>
> is one of these things.<br>
><br>
> It will be easier to define the purpose of Noisebridge when its members are<br>
> not performing the unwanted actions. When people are not living at<br>
> Noisebridge, the only reason for them to visit the space will be to<br>
> actually perform "hacking".<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:13 PM, openfly <openfly@xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd<br>
> > wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Naomi is asking the big question. The MOST important question facing<br>
> > noisebridge today.<br>
> ><br>
> > "Who is a hacker?"<br>
> ><br>
> > The problem noisebridge has is that there are folks taking advantage of<br>
> > it. There is a<br>
> > belief that the originally vague mission of noisebridge is no longer up to<br>
> > the task of<br>
> > furthering the goal of being a 'hackerspace'. And there are folks who<br>
> > want to perform<br>
> > major policy updates to the mission and general structure of noisebridge.<br>
> > At the heart<br>
> > of all of this is this one simple question.<br>
> ><br>
> > "Who is a hacker?"<br>
> ><br>
> > And to answer this simple question, at least as far as it relates to<br>
> > noisebridge, is to<br>
> > answer this other question...<br>
> ><br>
> > "What is the mission of noisebridge, today?"<br>
> ><br>
> > Answer those two questions now. Or you are all fucked. And noisebridge<br>
> > will implode.<br>
> ><br>
> > And these aren't simple questions. The reality is, if you answer them<br>
> > right, you are<br>
> > going to lose a lot of members and piss a lot of people off. Because what<br>
> > you'll be<br>
> > doing in effect by limiting the vague scope of what noisebridge is, is<br>
> > telling people<br>
> > that they do not belong. That they are no longer a part of the<br>
> > noisebridge community.<br>
> > And that's going to hurt.<br>
> ><br>
> > So all this bickering about kitchens, about ban rules, about whether or<br>
> > not the space<br>
> > should stay open late. All of this is dancing around the very core issue.<br>
> ><br>
> > Many feel the mission of noisebridge has failed. They want to redefine<br>
> > it. In doing<br>
> > this, they will limit the future scope of the mission, and the community.<br>
> > And that<br>
> > means... not just the folks who are leeches on the community, but<br>
> > contributors, and<br>
> > die hard believers will find themselves no longer welcome. And they will<br>
> > fight<br>
> > bitterly to avoid that.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > So, as Naomi asked. "Who is a hacker?"<br>
> ><br>
> > What the fuck is the purpose of Noisebridge today. And what do you want<br>
> > it to be<br>
> > tomorrow. Hold no punches. It's time to decide what the fuck you people<br>
> > are about.<br>
> ><br>
> > -openfly<br>
> ><br>
> > On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 04:04:30PM -0700, Naomi Most wrote:<br>
> > > Mmkay.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > >Food Hacking, or just feeding the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Who is a hacker?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > > Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at NB???<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Who is "we" and do you have any suggestions for how to not "let"<br>
> > > people squat at NB?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > --Naomi<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Oren Beck <<a href="mailto:orenbeck@gmail.com" target="_blank">orenbeck@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > > New approaches=MINE... to "Kitchen Misuse" and the Squatter Gaming.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Simply craft a layered approach of power/water/fridge securing methods<br>
> > and<br>
> > > > thence empower the Excellent Uses to be Unsullied by Unexcellent<br>
> > Misusers.<br>
> > > > Oh- do contemplate the additional layer of a PERMANENT BAN NEEDING<br>
> > SUPER<br>
> > > > MAJORITY TO LIFT for anyone tampering/disabling the lock outs... Means-<br>
> > > > yeah- you break some rules and it's _game over- no replay. A place<br>
> > upon the<br>
> > > > wall of Permaban for THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE. Because- a misused<br>
> > kitchen<br>
> > > > can burn the space down/ get the lease lifted and so on. Same with<br>
> > > > Squatters.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Let Grandpa shout softly a few unpopular truths and NB might learn<br>
> > from my<br>
> > > > Life Experience Points...<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > The fix vectors I am suggesting neatly could grant balance to the<br>
> > Excellent<br>
> > > > folks whilst providing an instrumental path to banishing the<br>
> > Un-excellent.<br>
> > > > Giving up the utility of a kitchen is surrender!<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Will we surrender one more facet of HACKING? Food Hacking, or just<br>
> > feeding<br>
> > > > the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT. I may need to repeat this a<br>
> > bit-<br>
> > > > NB either is a HACKERSPACE or a SHELTER- we cannot serve both paths..<br>
> > If<br>
> > > > consensus wishes to murder NB on that path So be it but not by my<br>
> > words or<br>
> > > > deeds.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Who of us is sanely opposed to telling squatters that MIS-use is<br>
> > > > prohibited un-excellent conduct=a ticket OUT of NB is surrender to<br>
> > THEM?<br>
> > > > Really- READ the star bracketed text several times FOR A SANITY<br>
> > CHECK...<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > ***The folks who sweat blood and tears to keep NB alive deserve to use<br>
> > a<br>
> > > > Kitchen if they want to. This ain't a class caste struggle game- it's<br>
> > about<br>
> > > > keeping this space alive and welcoming to honorable HACKERS. Including<br>
> > the<br>
> > > > Honorable HACKERS having a REAL KITCHEN instead of fracking<br>
> > surrendering to<br>
> > > > ANYONE. ***<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I've empathy for the less fortunate and am damned mindful that many<br>
> > of us<br>
> > > > are one disaster away from homeless. I ain't basing my rants on any<br>
> > desire<br>
> > > > but THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.. The Needy can be better literally<br>
> > served if<br>
> > > > we uplift Homo Rarely Sapient to where hunger is obsolete.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I live in Kansas City for many reasons including to NOT be a Squatter<br>
> > in an<br>
> > > > unafforadable city,. Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS<br>
> > SQUAT at<br>
> > > > NB??? Fer Darwin's sake folks- Either NB is PRIMARILY A HACKERSPACE<br>
> > quite<br>
> > > > irrespective of Kitchen or not... and if NB"s held as NOT for HACKING<br>
> > FIRST<br>
> > > > do consider that we re-charter as "Something Else" for reals.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > ARE we going to really overtly say that Squatters get to displace<br>
> > > > HACKERS???<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > DO NOT__***EVER*** empower perps to make us diminish OUR<br>
> > capabilities!! .<br>
> > > > The kitchen should STAY for use by the Excellent Hackers.- the<br>
> > Misusers can<br>
> > > > Go to Nifleheim/Gehenna/dev null etc and my empathy- or situational<br>
> > lack of<br>
> > > > same- is based on their actions.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Please- If you wish to be the keeper of the less fortunate's larder-<br>
> > do so<br>
> > > > on YOUR money etc.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Teal Deer: They win at gaming us to become less everytime we remove<br>
> > > > "something" in reactive mode- to their crap.<br>
> > > ><br>
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