<div dir="ltr">I didn't say you did, Kevin. Heck, you've never had to. That's the great thing about consensus and why you want to keep it: not only can you unilaterally block something but everyone knows you can so they don't even bother bringing it up. And if not you, then J.C. or someone else.<div>
<br></div><div>Sleeping at the space has been a problem people have complained about *for years*, but no one took the obvious step of proposing a consensus item until Tom's recent "house rules" item which, surprise surprise, has been delayed or had attempts to water it down with vague language. (And actually banning people, even temporarily, for sleeping at the space has been completely out of the picture.)</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Kevin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bfb@riseup.net" target="_blank">bfb@riseup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On April 4, 2014 9:33:16 PM PDT, Al Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> At which point the people who use Noisebridge as a part time residence<br>
> will<br>
> tell you they don't reside at Noisebridge, they just "sleep-hack" or<br>
> "rest<br>
> their eyes".<br>
><br>
> Until you prevent people from sleeping at Noisebridge, they will<br>
> continue<br>
> to live at Noisebridge. Until you have some negative consequence like<br>
> temporary or permanent bans, people will still sleep at Noisebridge.<br>
> Until<br>
> you get rid of consensus, Kevin will prevent any negative consequences<br>
> for<br>
> sleeping at Noisebridge.<br>
> On Apr 4, 2014 11:22 AM, "B Perez" <<a href="mailto:knighty04@gmail.com">knighty04@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Hear hear! +1<br>
> ><br>
> > Sent from my iPhone<br>
> ><br>
> > > On Apr 3, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Norman Bradley <<a href="mailto:pryankster@gmail.com">pryankster@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > It has been mentioned several times that people living at NB<br>
> violates<br>
> > our lease. It is actually a bit more complicated. After looking up<br>
> how 2169<br>
> > Mission is zoned. I found that it is not zoned for residential. A<br>
> place to<br>
> > start looking is at<br>
> > <a href="http://www.sf-planning.org/index.aspx?page=2771#findzoning" target="_blank">http://www.sf-planning.org/index.aspx?page=2771#findzoning</a> . That is<br>
> the<br>
> > San Francisco Planning Department and you can find a list of<br>
> changes,<br>
> > permits, and even how much things cost. Our place "Appears eligible<br>
> for<br>
> > listing in the California Register of Historical Resources."<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I am NOT a lawyer so this is just a guess after looking at the<br>
> online<br>
> > records. I think that what they say is that floor 1 is zoned for<br>
> food sales<br>
> > and floors 2 and 3 are light industrial. To allow sleeping / living<br>
> in the<br>
> > space will at least require new permits from the, Planning Dept.,<br>
> Fire<br>
> > Dept., and Health Dept. as well as convincing the landlord.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I'm not sure how long flogging this issue will continue, but, in<br>
> my<br>
> > opinion it is not up for debate. It is spelled out in both zoning<br>
> law and<br>
> > our lease. Our object should be how do we stop it not how much<br>
> should we<br>
> > allow.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > You are entitled to your own opinion.<br>
> > > You are NOT entitled to your own facts.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Norman<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
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</div>^^ lol Al. I have never blocked a single proposal to ban someone from Noisebridge. You're welcome to persist in this fantasy as long as you like. Let's move forward with honesty, openness and empathy.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
-Kevin<br>
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