<div dir="ltr">You can? You shouldn't, what with the access policy. Unless you mean a member and their family, in which case they probably have received warning ahead of time.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM, immonad <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:immonad@yahoo.com" target="_blank">immonad@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>I could imagine a visiting family with kids walking in...<div class=""><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Adrian Chadd <u></u> <br>Date:04/05/2014 12:49 PM (GMT-08:00) <br>To: Jeffrey Carl Faden <u></u> <br>
Cc: NoiseBridge Discuss <u></u> <br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] think bigger <br><br>A lot of things could be prefaced with that.<br><br>Then you shouldn't be surprised if people stop turning up to the space.<br>
<br>Sheesh... :-)<br><br><br><br>-a<br><br><br>On 5 April 2014 11:18, Jeffrey Carl Faden <<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> It seems like this would be allowed at Noisebridge with proper notice:<br>
><br>> "When you are working on a sex- or porn-related project at Noisebridge, or<br>> are running such an event or presentation, provide reasonable notice and<br>> warning to allow others the opportunity to opt out if they wish. With this --<br>
> as anything else -- each person has a responsibility to be considerate of the<br>> comfort levels of others. Discussions, projects, and events of this nature<br>> should strive to exist in a culture of respect and consent."<br>
><br>> But yeah, someone feeling uncomfortable about a live sex-toy display would<br>> certainly be able to say "please don't do that".<br>><br></div>> Jeffrey<br>><br>><div class=""><br>
> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Hannah Grimm <<a href="mailto:dharlette@gmail.com" target="_blank">dharlette@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Things that would ensure I would never, ever, return to Noisebridge if I<br>
>> were to see them there:<br>>><br>>> "people getting fucked on a table by a dildo"<br>>><br></div><div class="">>> Praveen, this is not as simple as an issue of "inclusion" and a happy<br>
>> little collective. The truth of the matter is that when you include some<br>>> people, you cause others to feel threatened & unsafe and thereby exclude<br>>> them. People who are high at Noisebridge tend to cross boundaries, and one<br>
>> of those boundaries is often the bodily autonomy of women at the space. San<br>>> Francisco is full of places where people can go to see folks screw in<br>>> public, Noisebridge does not need to be one of them. If you want to display<br>
>> your bondage technology, go to Wicked Grounds! If you want to get high in<br>>> public, go to Dolores Park! The place full of collectively owned powertools<br>>> is not the correct venue for those activities.<br>
>><br>>><br></div><div class="">>> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Al Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Your forgot "dropping acid at the space" and "condoning others to do the<br>
>>> same" on that list, Praveen.<br>>>><br>>>> While everyone else talks about problems in the space and practical ways<br>>>> to solve these problems, you'd rather steer the conversation away from that<br>
>>> and towards the problems of the world. WE CAN SOLVE BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.<br>>>> Not using Noisebridge as a homeless shelter doesn't mean we must give up<br>>>> fighting gentrification. In fact, Noisebridge could be even more effective<br>
>>> at solving those problems if it didn't drive people away with its reputation<br>>>> as a filthy, rodent-infested space where you can buy meth and the people who<br>>>> steal from you aren't banned.<br>
>>><br>>>><br></div><div class="">>>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Praveen Sinha <<a href="mailto:dmhomee@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmhomee@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>
</div><div><div class="h5">>>>> The idea of noisebridge as an entity being constrained by leases and<br>>>>> zoning laws is one that is frequently bandied about.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Indeed, in some amount of time, our lease will be up for re-negotiation,<br>
>>>> at which point we may have to make our own hard decisions of whether we can<br>>>>> afford a rent increase, or be zoned for the next block of luxury housing in<br>>>>> the mission.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> To me, a community is much more powerful than mere contracts or money -<br>>>>> in fact, it is the community itself that defines both of these things. To<br>>>>> me, a community (and movements in general) is most powerful when everyone<br>
>>>> has an ability to participate. A lot of my off-time work is trying to deal<br>>>>> with circumstances of people on the margins of participation: often times<br>>>>> people who have lived their whole lives with a world that expects to<br>
>>>> apologize for they are. I'll write more on that later. We are all<br>>>>> experiencing the first hand pains and momentous task of forming and growing<br>>>>> a community.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> We have options to take on both our lease and our zoning. It would<br>>>>> require landlord buy-in, and it would require pulling connections inside the<br>>>>> city: both of these are doable - as an example, many of you may know my<br>
>>>> housing collective has been working with the San Francisco Land Trust (<br>>>>> <a href="http://www.sfclt.org/" target="_blank">http://www.sfclt.org/</a> ) to save our house from getting converted into a<br>
>>>> condoplex (and I highly encourage other people living in large collectives<br>>>>> to look into this).<br>>>>><br>>>>> We in the tech community in the bay area are blessed with a lot of<br>
>>>> political power and influence: and this doesn't just mean twitter or google.<br>>>>> Not only do we have observers from around the world, but we have observers<br>>>>> and friends in city hall watching from a distance. As chaotic and<br>
>>>> disenfranchised we may think of ourselves, in reality we all wield a<br>>>>> tremendous amount of influence as noisebridgers: we just don't know it yet<br>>>>> (and this pattern of internalized political disenfranchisement is common not<br>
>>>> just amongst nerds but across many communities).<br>>>>><br>>>>> So what does all of this have to do with our tiny collective? Our<br>>>>> kitchen issues? Our disorganized circuit equipment? In the span that I've<br>
>>>> been at noisebridge, I've seen and participated in: people adding new<br>>>>> senses in their bodies, people writing the next generation machine<br>>>>> recognition software, people making next generation low cost printable<br>
>>>> circuits, people making at home gene amplification technology, people grow<br>>>>> mushrooms on a wall, people getting fucked on a table by a dildo and spanked<br>>>>> by bondage clowns, having knock down intersectional fights of race and<br>
>>>> gender, being a technological staging ground for the occupy protests,<br>>>>> having our hacker home double up as a shelter for years at a time and still<br>>>>> function. We are creating and challenging the bounds of what can be done<br>
>>>> and is possible and not just technologically but socially.<br>>>>><br></div></div><div class="">>>>> In that, I submit that our pains have not to do with mismanagment, but<br>>>>> that we need to grow into our next phase for an even larger and more dynamic<br>
>>>> community: I don't know what it's going to look like or what the outcome<br>>>>> will be, but as everyone is shuffling about in this latest re-org, I think<br>>>>> it's important to think bigger and more radical and more creative and more<br>
>>>> inclusive. As a hackerspace, we can go in directions no other space or<br>>>>> collective on the planet is capable of at the moment. Keep it mind as we<br>>>>> fight our battles, whatever side of drama you wind up on.<br>
>>>><br></div>>>>> Love,<br>>>>> Praveen<div class=""><br>>>>><br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br>
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