<div dir="ltr">Hey, remember that time when there was that guy who liked to hang out at NB 24/7, give tours, moderate meetings, & redshirt, but then it turned out he was a sexual predator with a history of battering women who was living at Noisebridge to evade the regulations about how far from a school registered sex offenders are allowed to live?<div>
<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Christoph Maier <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christoph.maier@ieee.org" target="_blank">christoph.maier@ieee.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>As much as I find that it complicates matters, <br></div>you can devise rules, mission statemens [see <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noisebridge_Mission_Statement.JPG" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noisebridge_Mission_Statement.JPG</a> for my stab at it], <br>
visions, etc. etc. <br></div>all you want, but in the end, whether stuff works or doesn't depends on specific people and their idiosyncratic way of making stuff work. <br></div><div>And those people change from time to time ... anything long-term at noisebridge is beyond my imagination.<br>
</div><div><br>I can think of a bazillion reasons why what works with Frantisek doesn't work with anyone else.<br><br></div>The alternative is that Law Enforcement (i.e. folks who like to enforce laws on others), or chaos. <br>
Well, some folks make Chaos AND things work :-P<br><br></div><div><div class="h5">On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Naomi Most <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<div>
<div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">That's a romantic idea, but in practicality it's a fragile arrangement.<br>
<br>
Whatever you think of having people live in the space (for, against,<br>
"it's complicated"), whether we are zoned for live-work or not, I'm<br>
sure anyone reading this can think of a dozen different reasons why<br>
reliance on a single person's motivations is not a long-term solution<br>
for anything at Noisebridge.<br>
<br>
Not that you were suggesting so, Christoph. I am just taking the<br>
opportunity to make the point.<br>
<div><div><br>
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Christoph Maier<br>
<<a href="mailto:christoph.maier@ieee.org" target="_blank">christoph.maier@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> After running into Frantisek at Seoul Hackerspace, I imagine how Frantisek,<br>
> as trusted squatter-in-residence, would improve both friendliness and<br>
> security of a hackerspace. But some <expletive deleted> tore out half the<br>
> kitchen.<br>
><br>
> On Apr 11, 2014 7:58 AM, "Naomi Most" <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Addendum:<br>
>><br>
>> Our lack of security can also be chalked up to a failure of imagination.<br>
>><br>
>> Oh, I know we've imagined things, but largely they have been along the<br>
>> lines of doing one or two individual things, which really could not<br>
>> work on their own because of the limitedness of their scope and/or the<br>
>> unfeasibility of the resources (e.g. humans) needed to perpetuate<br>
>> them.<br>
>><br>
>> We have never totally imagined the security of the space as a system.<br>
>><br>
>> Please don't take me to mean that security is hopeless. I mean mostly<br>
>> to say that at Noisebridge it is Very Hard.<br>
>><br>
>> Larger post coming soon.<br>
>><br>
>> --Naomi<br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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