<p dir="ltr">If the chaos of the past few weeks are any indication, I don't think 100% trust of the board is a given. Besides, even if I totally trusted every person making and storing the recordings to act ethically, I would oppose this sort of recording on principle and because of risks outside of the board's control (hacked servers, subpoenas, etc.).</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 13, 2014 5:50 PM, "Alfred Perlstein" <<a href="mailto:bright@mu.org">bright@mu.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr">There are a lot of people at Noisebridge that do
not want to be subjected to continuous passive surveillance,
myself included. Using Glass for experiments in the space (while
leaving anyone who doesn't want to be recorded out of the frame)
should be fine. Passively recording members and guests without
their consent would not be okay.<br>
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I would imagine that those trusted to be on the board or appointed
by the board would have a level of trust to not retain any
recordings past a date when we know a theft hasn't occurred. It
would also assist when dealing with sleepers so that we are not
afraid of them due to there being video evidence of any assault.<br>
<br>
So basically, your concerns are valid, but not really in this
context as we already have trust.<br>
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-Alfred<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Alfred
Perlstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bright@mu.org" target="_blank">bright@mu.org</a>></span>
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<div>On 4/13/14 3:54 PM, Nick Owens wrote:<br>
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On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 03:37:13PM -0700, Alfred
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This really is in no way a constructive response. I
would expect<br>
that there would be a reasoning behind it as opposed
to just a<br>
"that's a bad idea" sort of reply.<br>
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okay.<br>
<br>
for starters, there's an item in the anti-harassment
policy about<br>
'harassing photography or recording'. ostensibly glass
could be used to<br>
do that.<br>
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I assume that trusted members noisebridge would use the
glass only for<br>
1) experiments<br>
2) to review footage if there is an incident of theft of
assault while they are making use of the glass at the space.
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secondly, a lot of folks at noisebridge just plain don't
like people<br>
photographing or recording them. it's common courtesy at
the space to<br>
ask everyone who could possibly be photographed or
recorded if they<br>
consent to such.<br>
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Sure, if I was a laptop thieving junkie I wouldn't want
people recording me doing drugs or stealing things either.
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on top of that, it's just plain stupid to expect that
these devices will<br>
in fact remain at noisebridge. such an expensive and
in-demand item<br>
would surely not last long.<br>
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Are you saying that the top echelon of noisebridgers (the
board) are not trustworthy enough to be loaned some
hardware? Remember we are talking about a select few that
have already been vetted as being trustworthy by the
community. That said if the glass does happen to disappear
then it would be a very strong statement about the viability
of noisebridge as a safe and trustworthy space.<br>
<br>
Let's say we give glass to A and A's shortly disappears, we
can easily surmise that this person is not responsible nor
trustworthy of their other noisebridge responsibilities.
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not only that, there's plenty of people in sf that just
don't like<br>
glass. including many businesses in the near vicinity of
noisebridge.<br>
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<a href="http://www.glasshole-free.org/" target="_blank">http://www.glasshole-free.org/</a><br>
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This would be for exclusive use inside the space, so I don't
know what your site has to do with anything I am proposing
except that maybe we ought to put a sign on the exit to
remind people to remove the glass before venturing into our
unsafe neighborhood.
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We can all agree that anything learned via
experimentation is worth<br>
the money invested AND if we can get more security at
the space it<br>
would be an added bonus!<br>
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<a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-January/034191.html" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-January/034191.html</a><br>
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i echo Martin's sentiment. draw your own conclusions.<br>
<br>
i apologize for being short with you in my first reply.
i hope this<br>
email clears things up.<br>
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I think Martin should have installed tracking and
surveillance measures into the items he left out. He could
have very easily rid the space of thieves. Seems like a
missed opportunity to me.
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