<div dir="ltr">Part of kitchen cleaning is doing it daily. And having a checklist. That is how restaurants do it. Sometimes multiple times daily. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Remember that this would have to be done regularly to remain maintainable. Like, once a month. The kitchen has sort of a revolving cast of characters.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div><div>Jeffrey</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Ronald Cotoni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">I am with Jeffrey here. We should both introduce the kitchen users to the list and train them on proper cleaning/food safety. I know a bit and I told V about some of the things I learned while working in a kitchen a VERY long time ago. She didn't know osme of it and was a bit shocked. Matthew, do you want to perhaps work with me and plan a time where we can have a meetup and go over that and do so on a regular basis? Some basic food handling things (like every time you touch yourself or your clothes, you need to wash your hands before touching food again) and how to properly prep/cook/cool things so that contamination does not occur?</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The people I've talked to who frequent the kitchen either do not spend much time online or are unaware of the Noisebridge discussion list. You won't hear equally from both sides on this list.<span><font color="#888888"><div>
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</div><div>Jeffrey</div></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Matthew Senate <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com" target="_blank">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I totally agree with Jim (food hacking is awesome, we borrowed noisebridge equipment to create <a href="https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_mate_mk.5" target="_blank">https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_mate_mk.5</a>) and Naomi too (it's time to get real and be do-ocratic). I say this especially since I've recently enjoyed Francisco's banana vinegar, born of Noisebridge-based cooking workshops, and available at local farmer's markets (or directly from the source)!<div>
<br></div><div>Who will speak for the Noisebridge kitchen?</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps this is a radical-inclusivity outreach opportunity...</div><div><br></div><div>To whoever it may be: I promise to give the kitchen a good bit of elbow-grease every time I visit!</div>
<div><br></div><div>p.s. greatest draw-back of the current sudo room location is no proper kitchen ;(</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Naomi Most <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">That's fine, Jim. If people believe that, they should be fired up<br>
about protecting the kitchen.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
--Naomi<br>
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On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com" target="_blank">jim@systemateka.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> 1. Noisebridge's core mission has nothing whatsoever to do with the<br>
> presence of a kitchen.<br>
><br>
> JS: The kitchen facilities have been used for useful,<br>
> even admirable hacking and therefore as much<br>
> relevant to the core mission as the sewing machines,<br>
> and arguably more so than the darkroom.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 04/14/2014 03:07 PM, Naomi Most wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Here is how I came to the conclusion that we should issue an ultimatum<br>
>> for cleaning up the kichen.<br>
>><br>
>> (I don't care how we got to the situation we're in, and none of the<br>
>> following should be read as implying blame.)<br>
>><br>
>> Read each point as a statement of fact, but please debate me on<br>
>> individual points if they seem incorrect.<br>
>><br>
>> 1. Noisebridge's core mission has nothing whatsoever to do with the<br>
>> presence of a kitchen.<br>
>><br>
>> 2. The kitchen has been stochastically maintained whilst being nearly<br>
>> constantly used.<br>
>><br>
>> 3. The usage of the kitchen has been largely by those who don't<br>
>> understand the health hazards of misusing a shared community kitchen.<br>
>><br>
>> (again: please don't read blame into these statements. it doesn't<br>
>> matter "who", it only matters "what".)<br>
>><br>
>> 4. Because of (2) and (3), the kitchen has become a health hazard.<br>
>> (Many health hazards: mold, vermin, cross-contamination, etc)<br>
>><br>
>> 5. There are many people who love having a kitchen.<br>
>><br>
>> 6. There are many people who dislike or don't care about having a kitchen.<br>
>><br>
>> 7. Those belonging to (6) mostly want to see the kitchen removed.<br>
>><br>
>> 8. Those belonging to (5) mostly want to keep the kitchen.<br>
>><br>
>> 9. Health hazards are Bad. Like, "harassment" Bad. Like, someone<br>
>> could get a bad disease Bad.<br>
>><br>
>> ERGO, in the spirit of do-ocracy:<br>
>><br>
>> 10. Those belonging to (5) ought to be putting work into making the<br>
>> kitchen NOT a health hazard. The onus falls on the group who uses the<br>
>> space to do something about it.<br>
>><br>
>> 11. Those belonging to (5) have thus far not shown initiative in<br>
>> protecting the resource.<br>
>><br>
>> ERGO, in the spirit of do-ocracy:<br>
>><br>
>> 12. Those belonging to (6) ought to incentivize those belonging to (5)<br>
>> to hurry up and do something about it.<br>
>><br>
>> OK, does that make sense?<br>
>><br>
>> This isn't about any authority trying to step in and "punish" people.<br>
>><br>
>> This is about making it clear that if people want a thing to exist at<br>
>> Noisebridge -- particular one that is fairly peripheral to what<br>
>> Noisebridge is about -- they should take care of it.<br>
>><br>
>> I have suggested that this group form a "kitchen working group" to sort it<br>
>> out.<br>
>><br>
>> If it can't be sorted out, I don't think it's unreasonable for those<br>
>> who don't care about having a kitchen but are worried about the health<br>
>> hazards of the kitchen to do-ocratically dismantle it.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for reading.<br>
>><br>
>> --Naomi<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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