<p dir="ltr">Any list like this needs context, links, or data on the incidents to be useful. There is for me some difference between 'convicted of felony assault' and 'emailed tom a lot'.</p>
<p dir="ltr">And this list sure as fuck doesn't include Jesse z.</p>
<p dir="ltr">So like I said, excessive admin overhead for the list and its ensuing inaccuracy means this delicate little flower right here will be continuing to rely on her meat computer for figuring out who the creepy douches are.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I invite anyone who wasn't constantly subjected to the sexual harassment tax ever since they passed four feet in height and had the audacity to go out in public (ie most dudes) to spend a bunch of time maintaining this list. Me? I have a finely tuned apparatus for detecting creeps, based on the privilege of being showered in creepy attentions for much of my life. The real problem is that when I hang out with mostly dudes (aka every technology space ever) they don't believe me when I reference my apparatus. And then the creepazoids need a fucking felony conviction under their belt before The Dudes will believe that they are a fucking problem.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I still want to know the name of the creep who became a redshirt and then got banned. So I'll know if I ever run into him.</p>
<p dir="ltr">R.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 17, 2014 10:38 AM, "Adrian Chadd" <<a href="mailto:adrian.chadd@gmail.com">adrian.chadd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
<a href="https://github.com/noisebridge/bureaucracy/blob/master/people/banned.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/noisebridge/bureaucracy/blob/master/people/banned.md</a><br>
<br>
.. it could likely do with some descriptions though. "Scud", "Kyle",<br>
"Kara" etc all require way too much context to be able to identify.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-a<br>
<br>
<br>
On 17 April 2014 10:35, rachel lyra hospodar <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hey all,<br>
><br>
> I notice that in this thread a Very Creepy Person is mentioned over and over<br>
> but not by name.<br>
><br>
> I understand and respect the desire not to needlessly drag someone's name<br>
> around on a publicly archived list but I do think it's important, if someone<br>
> is banned, that we publicly name them, in order to maintain the ban.<br>
><br>
> One feature of an organic system is that its components must be reinforced<br>
> or they fade away. Do we have a rogues' gallery of predatory offenders? Is<br>
> it maintained every time a new ban put is in place? This, as a wiki page,<br>
> sounds like an administrative overhead that would not be consistently<br>
> fulfilled, tbh. In general I think that this rogues gallery is maintained in<br>
> the public consciousness, where we all remember that there are creepazoids,<br>
> and if someone is creepy we mentally reference them against past creepazoids<br>
> before declaring "hey Rob2.0 is back and sleeping on the roof again" or else<br>
> "hey a new creepy stranger is using the roof for a date spot". when we talk<br>
> about things I would prefer if we used a name or if preferred handle so that<br>
> we can maintain the database in our heads. These stories are of value to me<br>
> when there is a way for them to be related to the perpetrator. Otherwise<br>
> it's just like the feces I cleaned from the sink that time, or the dental<br>
> dam I found in the bathroom during a party... just another piece of icky<br>
> trash clogging up the tubes, not helping anyone with anything, not even<br>
> disposed of properly.<br>
><br>
> Creepy felons shouldn't get name protection at the expense of our Creep<br>
> Defense System's being able to identify them. The bay area tech scene is<br>
> quite small, and someone who is banned from Noisebridge is still likely to<br>
> be encountered by those of our denizens who manage to live here and also<br>
> leave their house.<br>
><br>
> R.<br>
><br>
> On Apr 11, 2014 9:36 PM, "Hannah Grimm" <<a href="mailto:dharlette@gmail.com">dharlette@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hey, remember that time when there was that guy who liked to hang out at<br>
>> NB 24/7, give tours, moderate meetings, & redshirt, but then it turned out<br>
>> he was a sexual predator with a history of battering women who was living at<br>
>> Noisebridge to evade the regulations about how far from a school registered<br>
>> sex offenders are allowed to live?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Christoph Maier<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:christoph.maier@ieee.org">christoph.maier@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> As much as I find that it complicates matters,<br>
>>> you can devise rules, mission statemens [see<br>
>>> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noisebridge_Mission_Statement.JPG" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noisebridge_Mission_Statement.JPG</a> for my<br>
>>> stab at it],<br>
>>> visions, etc. etc.<br>
>>> all you want, but in the end, whether stuff works or doesn't depends on<br>
>>> specific people and their idiosyncratic way of making stuff work.<br>
>>> And those people change from time to time ... anything long-term at<br>
>>> noisebridge is beyond my imagination.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I can think of a bazillion reasons why what works with Frantisek doesn't<br>
>>> work with anyone else.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The alternative is that Law Enforcement (i.e. folks who like to enforce<br>
>>> laws on others), or chaos.<br>
>>> Well, some folks make Chaos AND things work :-P<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Naomi Most <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> That's a romantic idea, but in practicality it's a fragile arrangement.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Whatever you think of having people live in the space (for, against,<br>
>>>> "it's complicated"), whether we are zoned for live-work or not, I'm<br>
>>>> sure anyone reading this can think of a dozen different reasons why<br>
>>>> reliance on a single person's motivations is not a long-term solution<br>
>>>> for anything at Noisebridge.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Not that you were suggesting so, Christoph. I am just taking the<br>
>>>> opportunity to make the point.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Christoph Maier<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:christoph.maier@ieee.org">christoph.maier@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> > After running into Frantisek at Seoul Hackerspace, I imagine how<br>
>>>> > Frantisek,<br>
>>>> > as trusted squatter-in-residence, would improve both friendliness and<br>
>>>> > security of a hackerspace. But some <expletive deleted> tore out half<br>
>>>> > the<br>
>>>> > kitchen.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > On Apr 11, 2014 7:58 AM, "Naomi Most" <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Addendum:<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Our lack of security can also be chalked up to a failure of<br>
>>>> >> imagination.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Oh, I know we've imagined things, but largely they have been along<br>
>>>> >> the<br>
>>>> >> lines of doing one or two individual things, which really could not<br>
>>>> >> work on their own because of the limitedness of their scope and/or<br>
>>>> >> the<br>
>>>> >> unfeasibility of the resources (e.g. humans) needed to perpetuate<br>
>>>> >> them.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> We have never totally imagined the security of the space as a system.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Please don't take me to mean that security is hopeless. I mean<br>
>>>> >> mostly<br>
>>>> >> to say that at Noisebridge it is Very Hard.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Larger post coming soon.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> --Naomi<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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