<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It would be cool to talk to women about arduino and coding on this list. Hopefully people who are female will start the conversation <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr 19, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Hannah Grimm <<a href="mailto:dharlette@gmail.com">dharlette@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">+1000 to Rachel</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 12:37 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I might feel that way when half a dozen female-identified people are able to have a conversation on this email list or at Noisebridge that isn't about harassment, or interrupted by it. Consider it a bechdel-type test.</p>
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<div style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">For me it's more that when it comes to issues that disproportionately harm women (like harassment) there's a lot of non-progress that happens until enough women demand it be taken seriously. If that makes any men feel bad, then I suggest they learn to be better allies. In an ideal world, the people who are victims of harassment shouldn't have to say a thing; everyone else should swiftly take care of the issue for them.<div>
<div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:06 PM, spinach williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spinach.williams@gmail.com" target="_blank">spinach.williams@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Friday, April 18, 2014 01:05:26 PM Rachel McConnell wrote:<br>
> You probably didn't mean it this way, Hannah, but this reads to me like<br>
> "men are useless nothing gets done until the women pick it up". Which<br>
> is obviously both incorrect and unhelpful for building community :)<br>
</div>the comment struck me as specifically concerning issues of sexual harassment<br>
and assault, and of other hostilities toward women in the space and on the<br>
list, in which case, men may have a place in the discussion, but until women<br>
actually become involved, no men can claim that progress has been made.<br>
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