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    Not me. I said I'd be assessing the state of the kitchen for one
    week starting today, and that if it was a hazard on average, it
    would be fixed with a sledge hammer. I was cautiously optimistic to
    hear that people were working on cleaning it up. Also, a sledge
    hammer would have made a much bigger hole.<br>
    --D<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/21/14, 7:48 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CACwe8VirsEYBHtBY4khAFJQdEsNO2TGK=9GAeo_ft3oJH3oS+w@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">By the way, this looks like it's possibly the work
        of davidfine.
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-April/044036.html">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-April/044036.html</a><br>
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        <div>Jeffrey</div>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:45 AM,
          Jeffrey Carl Faden <span dir="ltr"><<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com"
              target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Don't feel too bad, Ronald. No one should be
              depending on the stove, and if it's unsafe to use, it
              shouldn't be used. I think you did the right thing
              considering the risks. I just hope no one goes through the
              trouble to undo your work and bring it back online without
              making the proper repairs or replacements first.<span
                class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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                    <br>
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                  <div>Jeffrey</div>
                </font></span></div>
            <div class="HOEnZb">
              <div class="h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:57
                    AM, Ronald Cotoni <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Just got off the phone regarding
                        the stove with a community member who uses the
                        stove.  I had originally decided to not do
                        anything other than say maybe we should just use
                        half the stove.  Then I took a closer look and
                        said NOPE that isn't a good idea to leave this
                        running.  I then disabled it.  It was a much
                        longer than necessary conversation.  This person
                        also knew of the issues at least on saturday and
                        did nothing to resolve it (fix it, disable it,
                        call someone).   I think we need to spend some
                        more time with the community and teaching the
                        community standards of Doocracy and be
                        excellent.  I was a little un excellent in
                        handling this situation.  I need to work on
                        that.  </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 20,
                              2014 at 9:37 PM, Ronald Cotoni <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:setient@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                <div dir="ltr">Also please be aware, if
                                  you do not agree with my assessment,
                                  you can doocratically hook up the
                                  stove again.  I would really hate to
                                  see someone get injured or anything
                                  else bad to happen in the space.   </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun,
                                        Apr 20, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Ronald
                                        Cotoni <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:setient@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">The removal
                                            portion of it was not really
                                            related to this email.  It
                                            was more informing that I
                                            doocratically disabled it,
                                            due to the hazard of using
                                            it.  What we choose to do
                                            can be decided at Tuesday's
                                            meeting.  </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at
                                                  8:44 PM, John Ellis <span
                                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:neurofog@gmail.com" target="_blank">neurofog@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
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                                                      <div>Ronald,</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      Not doubting
                                                      that. 
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>I was simply
                                                        stating what I
                                                        understood from
                                                        the inspector,
                                                        as I spoke to
                                                        him directly
                                                        during his
                                                        visit. I'm
                                                        trying to
                                                        minimize
                                                        misspent effort
                                                        on repairing
                                                        something that
                                                        will almost
                                                        certainly have
                                                        to be removed.</div>
                                                      <span><font
                                                          color="#888888">
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>-John<br>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </font></span></div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Sun, Apr 20,
                                                          2014 at 8:38
                                                          PM, Ronald
                                                          Cotoni <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Sorry
                                                          that was
                                                          snarky.  What
                                                          I mean to say
                                                          is that when a
                                                          conductive
                                                          liquid hits
                                                          wires (in this
                                                          case a heating
                                                          element with
                                                          lots of power
                                                          running
                                                          through it),
                                                          it can cause a
                                                          short.  Ditto
                                                          with the
                                                          control
                                                          circuit.  Even
                                                          if somewhere
                                                          was to not get
                                                          hurt by
                                                          electrocution
                                                          or a fire
                                                          being started,
                                                          it could
                                                          damage the
                                                          stove further.
                                                           Is that
                                                          excellent to
                                                          the users of
                                                          the stove?  </div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Sun, Apr 20,
                                                          2014 at 8:36
                                                          PM, Ronald
                                                          Cotoni <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Did
                                                          you look at
                                                          the picture?</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Sun, Apr 20,
                                                          2014 at 8:35
                                                          PM, John Ellis
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:neurofog@gmail.com" target="_blank">neurofog@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Ronald,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          I thought the
                                                          inspector said
                                                          the cook-top
                                                          had to go.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          -John</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>On Sun,
                                                          Apr 20, 2014
                                                          at 8:27 PM,
                                                          Ronald Cotoni
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">It
                                                          would appear
                                                          that the
                                                          tempered glass
                                                          on top of the
                                                          stove has been
                                                          broken.  The
                                                          way in which
                                                          it is broken
                                                          means liquids
                                                          can easily get
                                                          to the heating
                                                          element and
                                                          the circuit
                                                          board that
                                                          controls the
                                                          stove.  We
                                                          will either
                                                          need to
                                                          replace the
                                                          top glass with
                                                          a new one, get
                                                          a different
                                                          stove or take
                                                          it out
                                                          altogether.
                                                           In the short
                                                          term, I have
                                                          disabled the
                                                          circuit
                                                          breaker, put
                                                          up a few signs
                                                          with my phone
                                                          number and
                                                          finally Sid
                                                          made it so
                                                          that the stove
                                                          can't just be
                                                          turned on by
                                                          flipping the
                                                          circuit
                                                          breaker.  This
                                                          is a pretty
                                                          major safety
                                                          hazard right
                                                          now and we
                                                          should deal
                                                          with this
                                                          along with the
                                                          building
                                                          inspector
                                                          stuff post
                                                          haste.  <span><font
color="#888888"><br clear="all">
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          Ronald Cotoni
                                                          <div>Systems
                                                          Engineer</div>
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                                                          <div>Systems
                                                          Engineer</div>
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                                                -- <br>
                                                Ronald Cotoni
                                                <div>Systems Engineer</div>
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                                      <div><br>
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                                      -- <br>
                                      Ronald Cotoni
                                      <div>Systems Engineer</div>
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                            -- <br>
                            Ronald Cotoni
                            <div>Systems Engineer</div>
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