<div dir="ltr">I agree! I don't feel like I'm misrepresenting the majority of people reading this list when I say that most people want to tune this argument out right about now.<div><br></div><div>Although, Jake, once you told me that I was tone policing. :)<div>
<br></div><div>Honestly, for me, talking about one's accomplishments at Noisebridge to defend oneself kind of has the opposite effect from what was probably intended.</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Jake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank">jake@spaz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This reply is to both of you, and everyone:<br>
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this email list is not here for you to criticise other people or talk about how great you are. if you are doing that, whether you realize it or not, please stop.<br>
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if you feel that someone has maligned you, intentionally or not, resist the urge to defend your honor in front of the audience you think you have here. Instead, please try to limit your messages to productive and positive suggestions of ways you think noisebridge can improve.<br>
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if you need to talk negatively about something, which is not uncommon when looking for ways to make positive change, please try to phrase the problem in a gentle way and be realistic about it. blasting things out as the worst thing ever is a form of crying wolf and will get you and the entire list ignored.<br>
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and finally, remember that if you have a disagreement with someone on this list and seek to defeat them in conversation, you are turning this very valuable forum for discussion into a cockfighting ring for your own purposes, and that is a horrible thing to do whether someone calls you out for it or not.<br>
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stop it.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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-jake</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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On Fri, 9 May 2014, Johny Radio wrote:<br>
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Jake, i must respond:<br>
From: "Naomi Most" <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>><br>
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I mean LATELY. Sorry, you don't get points for meetings you went to<br>
in the past, not around here.<br>
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i have gone to meetings lately. You do not know what the hell you are talking about. You're just making shit up.<br>
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Your angry reactions to my innocent question -- which I asked JAKE, not you -- are all too telling.<br>
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Yes, they are telling that i do not appreciate people making false statements about me.<br>
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I never said you haven't done ANYTHING Johny. I know you do a lot for the space. In fact, you do too much. Far more than anyone else. It's causing you -- and many others following this same pattern -- to come to resent everyone around them who can't or won't do quite as much. You're overdue for burnout, if you feel you haven't burnt out already.<br>
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You accused me of complaining without doing anything. Now you're accusing me of doing too much. What the fucking hell?<br>
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Please do not fucking psychoanalyze me. I do not resent anyone, except people who accuse me of shit. And it's not your place to dictate to me how much or little i should do. I can worry about my own fucking burnout, thanks.<br>
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I'm really tired of seeing people martyr themselves at Noisebridge.<br>
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i'm not a martyr, Naomi. I contribute to the space willingly and happily, and without resentment. I pointed out that my cleanups were trashed by other NOT to complain, but to point out the dysfuction of Noisebridge.<br>
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