<div dir="ltr">I'd at least like the use of non-exclusive RFID tags to be an option. I don't want to carry more stuff if I can help it.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Naomi Most <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You improve trust in another direction actually -- trust that a<br>
"foreign" RFID has less of an opportunity to compromise baron in an<br>
unexpected way.<br>
<br>
(I'm not saying that's "likely" but you have to consider something<br>
like a code injection attack "possible".)<br>
<br>
The downside of us using exclusively our own RFID tags, of course, is<br>
that they become a limited resource. But I'm not sure that's a bug.<br>
<br>
As to people worrying about their uses being recorded: that's going<br>
to continue to be a possible complaint.<br>
<br>
And actually, the fact that we don't hear that complaint all that<br>
often makes me think perhaps I'm making too much of a deal out of<br>
sticking to exclusive-use RFID tags.<br>
<br>
*ruminating*...<br>
<br>
--Naomi<br>
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On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> No one can either fully trust the people doing the allowing and revoking,<br>
> either.<br>
><br>
> But yeah, at least the problem of trust is remedied if people use<br>
> case-specific RFID tags.<br>
><br>
> People might still want to complain about their uses being recorded, to<br>
> which I respond: do these same people complain about their keypad code uses<br>
> being recorded?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Naomi Most <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Open source helps with transparency as long as you trust the people<br>
>> doing the deploying, and we're not giving everyone equal access to<br>
>> that.<br>
>><br>
>> Sad to say, paranoia and conspiracy theories run deep in this community.<br>
>><br>
>> --Naomi<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > I expect that this will be an extension to Baron, which is open-source.<br>
>> > <a href="https://github.com/noisebridge/noisebridge-baron" target="_blank">https://github.com/noisebridge/noisebridge-baron</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > If people are uneasy about that, we plan on purchasing a bunch of RFID<br>
>> > cards<br>
>> > with no other data on them. They're super cheap.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Jeffrey<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Naomi Most <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> There are deeper issues beyond the possibility of possibly corrupting<br>
>> >> a card (and yeah, mistakes do happen).<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> For instance, do we want to end up giving anyone the impression that<br>
>> >> we might, even for a second, be collecting sensitive personal data?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --Naomi<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> > I don't believe we intend this to be a read/write system.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Norman Bradley<br>
>> >> > <<a href="mailto:pryankster@gmail.com">pryankster@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> > wrote:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> My concern with using Clipper Cards is that if this is setup as a<br>
>> >> >> read/write system it could damage the card losing the user transit<br>
>> >> >> money or<br>
>> >> >> even invalidating the card. Mistakes happen.<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> You are entitled to your own opinion.<br>
>> >> >> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Norman<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> On 5/10/2014 12:53 PM, Henner Zeller wrote:<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> Ultimately, I'd like to offer that people can use their Clipper<br>
>> >> >>> cards<br>
>> >> >>> or<br>
>> >> >>> whatever stuff they already have to use as a means of entry.<br>
>> >> >>><br>
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