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    Noisebridge started in 2008, the same year that the economy crashed.<br>
    Claudia<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/2014 5:39 PM, Jessica Ross
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      <div dir="ltr">Just how old is this hackerspace? Just wondering.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Romy
          Snowyla <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span>
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              <div>Wow this is so dramatic. I feel there is a natural
                change from the initial optimism at the start of a
                hackerspace. Infighting and issues and lack of
                enthusiasm in membership naturally follows </div>
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              <div>Re: the economy - it's been booming around
                noisebridge in SF.  Most members are working in tech so
                since the crash we have been doing pretty well
                financially ., maybe more money less passion and more
                problems ?</div>
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                    On May 13, 2014, at 1:39 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
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                      <p dir="ltr">I personally believe the space began
                        to seriously unravel upon the occasion of the
                        economic unraveling of the entire world, aka the
                        biggest economic crash in living memory, which
                        epically gutted marginal and poor communities,
                        followed by a huge lopsided and region-specific
                        economic boom - which created an epicenter for
                        monumental wealth disparity and growing social
                        discord.</p>
                      <p dir="ltr">I mean, it's fun to point fingers at
                        each other's ideas or efforts as Having Ruined
                        Noisebridge, but I think acknowledging that the
                        larger social picture has an effect on us might
                        alleviate the circle of It-Was-Better-When and
                        open up some space for good-spirited
                        idea-sharing, and learning from each other's
                        differing perspectives.</p>
                      <p dir="ltr">Call me crazy.</p>
                      <p dir="ltr">R.</p>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On May 13, 2014 12:46 PM,
                        "Naomi Most" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          Your posts aren't being moderated...<br>
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                          > I'm disappointed that people didn't want
                          to work to find creative solutions to try and
                          preserve them.<br>
                          <br>
                          Some of us are...<br>
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                          > I truly believe that the space began to
                          seriously unravel when the community erected
                          associate membership rules, access policies
                          and bureaucratic harassment doctrines as a
                          substitute for true excellence.<br>
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                          Me too.<br>
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                          --Naomi<br>
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                          On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Darius Garza
                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:313kid@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">313kid@gmail.com</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
                          > The jabber is no longer entertaining and
                          it seems like my posts are being<br>
                          > moderated for some reason so I've finally
                          decided to unsubscribe from this<br>
                          > list. The signal to noise ratio on here
                          is dismal and it's not worth wading<br>
                          > through all the petty personal drama to
                          find the occasional gem.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > I wanted to be more involved with
                          noisebridge and help the space thrive but<br>
                          > it was almost impossible to find support
                          or make genuine connections with<br>
                          > people at the space. Perhaps I could have
                          tried harder, but the snarky<br>
                          > attitudes and constant bickering put a
                          damper on my motivation.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Hackerspaces are so 2010 anyway. I don't
                          need a static point of reference to<br>
                          > work with a group of bright, creative
                          individuals or learn new things. There<br>
                          > are many places for people to gather that
                          provide more appropriate resources<br>
                          > for folks depending on the nature of
                          their work.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Not sure if this is a rage quit or long
                          time coming. I'll always miss the<br>
                          > romantic ideals of noisebridge and I'm
                          disappointed that people didn't want<br>
                          > to work to find creative solutions to try
                          and preserve them. I truly believe<br>
                          > that the space began to seriously unravel
                          when the community erected<br>
                          > associate membership rules, access
                          policies and bureaucratic harassment<br>
                          > doctrines as a substitute for true
                          excellence.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > I wish noisebridge all the best and hope
                          someday to be eating these words,<br>
                          > d.<br>
                          ><br>
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                          Naomi Theora Most<br>
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