<div dir="ltr">At what point does one consider it abandoned? Are the mining boxes labeled?<div><br></div><div>What would happen if someone unaffiliated with Noisebridge steals the boxes, sells them, and then Noisebridge coincidentally receives a donation similar to the market value of these boxes?</div>
<div><br></div><div>(That last part was a joke, I think.)</div><div><br></div><div>Jeffrey</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Torrie Fischer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tdfischer@hackerbots.net" target="_blank">tdfischer@hackerbots.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">On Monday, June 09, 2014 12:43:03 Naomi Most wrote:<br>
> So -- in the first incident, Tony heard from a Member that it was<br>
> (paraphrasing) "ok to put them there but don't turn them on". That<br>
> was 2 weeks ago.<br>
><br>
> He turned them on anyway (possibly getting encouragement from Sid).<br>
><br>
> He almost certainly knows how much it costs to run ASICs.<br>
><br>
> I expect this kind of thing from a 3-year-old who needs to be told a<br>
> zillion times, not from a grown person.<br>
><br>
> But I'll agree it's more excellent to try to contact him and maybe<br>
> give him notice that we're not happy and we're planning to rip this<br>
> stuff out and sell it if he doesn't come collect it.<br>
<br>
</div>Can Noisebridge just sell private property like that? How does ownership work<br>
in this situation?<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
><br>
> --Naomi<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden<br>
><br>
> <<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Thanks, Naomi.<br>
> ><br>
> > Selling them does seem to be the best course of action, but it would help<br>
> > to know whether Tony was told, in some way that we can actually keep a<br>
> > record of the communication, to remove these. Just telling him in-person<br>
> > to email rack does not seem like enough forewarning before we actually go<br>
> > ahead and attempt to dismantle the cage.<br>
> ><br>
> > Is he on the discussion list? Does anyone have his email? I'd like to give<br>
> > this guy the benefit of the doubt.<br>
> ><br>
> > Jeffrey<br>
> ><br>
> > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Naomi Most <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> Whaaaat. Same person? Really? That surprises me only in the "type"<br>
> >> of offense these two different behaviors represent, but I'll believe<br>
> >> you if you say so, John.<br>
> >><br>
> >> For the record, this person's name is Tony Cole.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Noisebridge should sell the bitcoin miners to fund our electrical<br>
> >> refit. Plugging something back in after being told to unplug them,<br>
> >> and going as far as covering them in an awkward cage that makes it<br>
> >> hard to remove them, strikes me as behavior that doesn't deserve<br>
> >> courteous treatment in return.<br>
> >><br>
> >> --Naomi<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:02 PM, John Ellis <<a href="mailto:neurofog@gmail.com">neurofog@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> > Jeffery,<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Part of the reason why this is so unexcellent is that its contained<br>
> >> > within a<br>
> >> > locked "animal" cage that is too large to fit through the server<br>
> >> > closet<br>
> >> > door. We'd have to cut the locks and disassemble or something to move<br>
> >> > it.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > If he doesn't collect it really soon, it should go to e-waste IMO.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > -John<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden<br>
> >> > <<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > wrote:<br>
> >> >> Wow, the same person, huh?<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> What does the bitcoin mining cluster look like? What's the easiest way<br>
> >> >> to<br>
> >> >> send it to e-waste? Would be happy to help get rid of it.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:37 AM, John Ellis <<a href="mailto:neurofog@gmail.com">neurofog@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
> >> >>> Claudia,<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> As I understood, this "person" was very promptly and firmly told to<br>
> >> >>> remove the parking meter from the space. Due to this (& other)<br>
> >> >>> unexcellence,<br>
> >> >>> there are people willing to remove him from the space.<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> This same individual installed a bitcoin mining cluster in the server<br>
> >> >>> closet, and repeatedly plugged it in after being told not to without<br>
> >> >>> emailing rack list and obtaining further "guidance" - that is pretty<br>
> >> >>> unexcellent on a number of levels.<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> I unplugged said cluster last night, because it was noisy as well as<br>
> >> >>> an<br>
> >> >>> unexcellent misuse of resources.<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> My personal thoughts are that people who cause drama, and don't<br>
> >> >>> respect<br>
> >> >>> Noisebrige, can get the f*** out. I don't think this requires<br>
> >> >>> egregiously<br>
> >> >>> bad behavior.<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> -John<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:50 AM, girlgeek <<a href="mailto:girlgeek@wt.net">girlgeek@wt.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> >>>> If nobody was wanting to get rid of the perps that is a shame. They<br>
> >> >>>> are<br>
> >> >>>> unexcellent people who should not be allowed in the space as<br>
> >> >>>> demonstrated by<br>
> >> >>>> this incident.<br>
> >> >>>> Claudia<br>
> >> >>>><br>
> >> >>>> On 6/9/2014 7:05 AM, Sergiusz 'q3k' Bazański wrote:<br>
> >> >>>>> I'm not sure. When I left they were still there. It all turned into<br>
> >> >>>>> personal drama later on - I can't really say more about that, I<br>
> >> >>>>> don't really<br>
> >> >>>>> know people's names...<br>
> >> >>>>><br>
> >> >>>>> But nobody was really wanting to get rid of the perpetrators, from<br>
> >> >>>>> what<br>
> >> >>>>> I've seen...<br>
> >> >>>><br>
> >> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>
> >> >>>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br>
> >> >>>> <a href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
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> >> >>><br>
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