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<p>Personally I think its good to keep everyone in the loop and give others a chance to chime in. This has been needing repair for more than a year by now, no? But if someone wants to make a dedicated list for this that's cool too.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zach R<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'd rather take those discussions off a public mailing list.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Zach R <span dir="ltr">
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<p>I don't know....Henner's the one to talk to about this. Have you tried asking the company how much it is just for that I/O board (and not the main board)? I can't imagine it would be more than $200.</p>
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<p>-Zach<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:49 PM<span class=""><br>
<b>To:</b> Zach R<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Zach; noisebridge-discuss<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span class="">Huh, will this do it?
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<div><a href="http://hackaday.com/2014/09/16/usb-to-db25-adapter-uses-grbl-for-parallel-port-cnc-communication/" target="_blank">http://hackaday.com/2014/09/16/usb-to-db25-adapter-uses-grbl-for-parallel-port-cnc-communication/</a>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Eric Michaud <span dir="ltr">
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<div dir="ltr">So is that a custom ASIC after the FTDI converter?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Zach R <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><span><i>"Can someone post here a picture of the old board? "<br>
</i></span></p>
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<p><span><a title="Ctrl+Click or tap to follow the link" href="https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controller-768x1024.jpg" target="_blank">https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controller-768x1024.jpg</a></span></p>
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<p>Note, this was taken from a website with our same model number, this is not a pic from NB. It looks like its the same as the one you linked.<br>
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<div><i>"Who the heck on this list has </i><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51); font-family:'Lucida Grande','Segoe UI',Verdana,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:12px; line-height:19.2px"><i>DB25 parallel connector to USB. Bring it in so we can A/B test this(at least
an A) and see if we need to go another route. I can't believe it's taken this long to get this moving. I'll be at NB tonight for awhile so if anyone has one, or if there is one in the space, I'll happily give this a shot."</i></span></div>
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<p>These are not super common nowadays. I looked online and many of them are "dumb" passive cables without circuitry meant for printers only :/ LPT legacy support is sadly lacking nowadays.</p>
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<p>-Zach<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zach R<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Zach; noisebridge-discuss
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<div dir="ltr">Seriously?1?!?!?!
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<div>Who the heck on this list has <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51); font-family:'Lucida Grande','Segoe UI',Verdana,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:12px; line-height:19.2px">DB25 parallel connector to USB. Bring it in so we can A/B test this(at least an A) and
see if we need to go another route. I can't believe it's taken this long to get this moving. I'll be at NB tonight for awhile so if anyone has one, or if there is one in the space, I'll happily give this a shot.</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Zach R <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p>doubtful, but in my original post to this thread there is a link to the board we are missing. The ICs are clearly visible and can be looked up.</p>
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<p>Also, another (kinda cool) option would be to simple hook a parallel port supporting laptop up to this thing and see what happens (assuming the software supports it). We could get a DB25 cable and hook up a T40 for example (once I work on the mainboard
a little).<br>
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<p>Let me work on the mainboard before we do the "is it worth it" math. It may be fixable. Eric, the mainboard is the giant PCB that actually steps up the voltage to the laser and does all the motor I/O work. its the most expensive part (takes the AC voltage
and also converts to +24 and +5 I believe). I uploaded pictures of it and emailed to the discuss as well.</p>
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<p>Please refer to my past posts, (especially pictures and links). I've spent a lot of time answering some of these questions already.<br>
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<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">
noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net</a> <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net</a>> on behalf of Eric Michaud <<a href="mailto:michaud.eric.c@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaud.eric.c@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 11, 2015 3:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zach<br>
<b>Cc:</b> noisebridge-discuss<span><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos</span></font>
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<div dir="ltr">Just an fyi, he may have admitted it's a usb to parallel board, but that doesn't exactly mean it's a off the shelf component board and they may have a proprietary wiring?<br>
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Can someone post here a picture of the old board? Is it this one: <a title="Ctrl+Click or tap to follow the link" href="http://www.buildlog.net/blog/2010/08/new-laser-engraver-controller/" target="_blank">http://www.buildlog.net/blog/2010/08/new-laser-engraver-controller/</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Eric Michaud <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:michaud.eric.c@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaud.eric.c@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Zach,
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<div>What do you mean by mainboard? Do you mean the USB to LPT converter board? What's broken other than the missing converter board?<br>
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Corey,</div>
<div>Yes you are mathing wrong... ;) <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Zach <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:organic_unity@yahoo.com" target="_blank">organic_unity@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I repeat, before we get into this conversation, let me try and work on repairing the main board. That is the bulk of the cost, probably $500 at least. If I can repair that it makes this whole conversation unnecessary. If I can't, then we should revisit the
"is it worth it" question.<br>
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-Zach<br>
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<span>On Wed, 11/11/15, Corey Quinn <<a href="mailto:corey@sequestered.net" target="_blank">corey@sequestered.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos<br>
</span> To: "Eric Michaud" <<a href="mailto:michaud.eric.c@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaud.eric.c@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: "noisebridge-discuss" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 3:12 PM<br>
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Maybe<br>
I'm mathing wrong; I see similar ones for $3500 or so.<br>
Not saying this is the best way to go, but I do wonder at<br>
what point does trashing the one we've got and replacing<br>
it start to make sense?<br>
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at<br>
3:00 PM, Eric Michaud <<a href="mailto:michaud.eric.c@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaud.eric.c@gmail.com</a>><br>
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What laser cutter with similar capabilities do you<br>
see for about $500?<br>
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at<br>
2:51 PM, Corey Quinn <<a href="mailto:corey@sequestered.net" target="_blank">corey@sequestered.net</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
Oof. Given that that's over 20% of a *new*<br>
laser cutter, at what point do we say "screw it"<br>
and start passing the hat to just outright replace the<br>
thing?<br>
-- Corey<br>
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015<br>
at 2:36 PM, Eric Michaud <<a href="mailto:michaud.eric.c@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaud.eric.c@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
Hi All,<br>
I just<br>
spoke with Full Spec and they said as it's EoL it's<br>
$750 for a new board and converter.<br>
The support tech did admit it's<br>
just a USB to parallel converter: I'm going to venture<br>
this might solve the hardware problem: <a href="https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/C2G-USB-to-DB25-IEEE-1284-Parallel-Adapter-Cable-parallel-adapter/1282038.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/C2G-USB-to-DB25-IEEE-1284-Parallel-Adapter-Cable-parallel-adapter/1282038.aspx</a><br>
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at 2:09 AM, Zach <<a href="mailto:organic_unity@yahoo.com" target="_blank">organic_unity@yahoo.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
Thanks for reply<br>
Eric!<br>
<br>
What's your skill set right now? that would be a<br>
good place to start. Right now it needs:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
1) someone to bug the manufacturer and see costs and<br>
possibility of replacement parts (via links i posted<br>
below)<br>
<br>
2) hacking a new controller board which is likely parallel<br>
to USB adapter (Henner seems to know about this)<br>
<br>
3) order new transistors for the power pcb (once i take it<br>
apart to diagnose- might need to bring it home where my good<br>
equipment is for that)<br>
<br>
4) taking out the controller board that is there and writing<br>
down part numbers to reverse engineer as much as we can.<br>
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<br>
<br>
and 5) googling for more info / replacement parts! people<br>
are still selling these around if you dig. maybe we can<br>
find another unit cheap.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
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On Thu, 11/5/15, Eric Michaud <<a href="mailto:michaud.eric.c@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaud.eric.c@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter<br>
Infos<br>
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To: "Zach R" <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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Cc: "NB Discuss" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>
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Date: Thursday, November 5, 2015, 5:14 PM<br>
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<br>
Hi Zach<br>
<br>
and the Laser Cutter folks,<br>
<br>
My name is Eric, Mitch told me after<br>
<br>
I stopped by for the first time in years that some<br>
things<br>
<br>
needed love after I asked about the status of a few<br>
pieces<br>
<br>
of key equipment. Focusing on the laser cutter I was<br>
curious<br>
<br>
if there was anything I could do to help, and figure<br>
out<br>
<br>
what was blocking at this time.<br>
<br>
Nice to meet<br>
<br>
you,-Eric.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at<br>
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11:39 PM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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wrote:<br>
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So I brought this up at the meeting tonight and then I<br>
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did more research. Found some more useful info.<br>
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model #: MLR-40 <br>
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40w Full Spectrum Laser<br>
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Manufacturer website:<br>
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<a href="http://en.jnmydy.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://en.jnmydy.com/</a><br>
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And here are the pictures I took:<br>
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<a href="http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Segasonicfan/library/NB%20Hardware%20Class?sort=3&page=1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Segasonicfan/library/NB%20Hardware%20Class?sort=3&page=1</a><br>
<br>
Here is the controller board we are missing:<br>
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<a href="https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controller-768x1024.jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controller-768x1024.jpg</a><br>
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<a href="http://www.laserresale.com/?fa=app.view&it=5966" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.laserresale.com/?fa=app.view&it=5966</a><br>
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<a href="https://moderndevice.com/news/full-spectrum-engineering-40w-hobby-laser/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://moderndevice.com/news/full-spectrum-engineering-40w-hobby-laser/</a><br>
<br>
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<a href="http://wiki.lvl1.org/Full_Spectrum_Laser" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.lvl1.org/Full_Spectrum_Laser</a><br>
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<br>
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<a href="http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=140518" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=140518</a><br>
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<a href="https://fslaser.com/Manuals/FSL_40w_Hobby_Laser_Manual.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://fslaser.com/Manuals/FSL_40w_Hobby_Laser_Manual.pdf</a><br>
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(manual)<br>
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There is a second hand one for $1500 we could raise<br>
money<br>
<br>
for. That way we have this one for parts. That's<br>
one<br>
<br>
option.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Im going to try emailing the manufacture to see what<br>
<br>
replacement costs would be.<br>
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-Zach<br>
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