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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi Jenny, and others,<br><br>Thanks for offering to help!<br><br>If you want to help, if you can, please show up to tomorrow's weekly Noisebridge meeting. These happen every Tuesday at 8pm, and are open to everyone. After introductions, and a few other quick regular topics on the agenda, it's time for items for discussion. Please bring up this topic. After a bit of discussion, there will be a call for people who want to start a working group to help make it happen. And, as Trent said, you do not have to be a Member of Noisebridge to be part of the working group, or to do almost anything at Noisebridge -- just follow our one rule: Be excellent to each other.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Mitch.<br><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 21:35:40 -0800<br>From: manriquejenny@gmail.com<br>To: robbintt@gmail.com<br>CC: noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] front page translation to spanish<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi guys:</div><div>I am a native spanish-speaking journalist, originally from Colombia. I belong to the community as I write about privacy issues in SF and immigrant communities in the Mission. If you want to use the online translation service, and then need to hire somebody for copy editing, I am available and happy to help. I also can do translations from scratch, but it is up to the group to decide to what extent that is entirely needed... and when. </div><div>I truly agree that it will drive more <span style="font-size:12.8px;">Hispanic people to the community. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Looking forward to see where this initiative goes!</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Best, </span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Trent Robbins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com" target="_blank">robbintt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">No problem. Anyone can do anything. I thought I said that in my previous email but I guess I wasn't clear enough. Sorry about that.<div><br></div><div>Trent<div><div class="h5"><span></span><br><br>On Monday, February 1, 2016, Travis Briggs <<a href="mailto:audiodude@gmail.com" target="_blank">audiodude@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Not to be a pain, but on <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/FractalWorkingGroup" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/FractalWorkingGroup</a> I see:<div><br></div><div><ul style="line-height:19.05px;list-style-type:square;padding:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px;"><li style="">a group can begin with an individual or group of individuals at any time, for any reason.</li></ul><div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.7px;line-height:19.05px;"><br></span></font></div></div><div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.7px;line-height:19.05px;">Which implies that anyone can start a group (which seems in line with doacracy). But later it talks about membership requirements for the group:</span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.7px;line-height:19.05px;"><br></span></font></div><div><ul style="line-height:19.05px;list-style-type:square;padding:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px;"><li style="">any NB member* may join, observe, or send suggestions to any group. (*"member" means any Board Member, Member, and any other formally approved NB participant)</li><li style="">any NB non-member may participate in a group with the sponsorship of one formally recognized NB "member" as defined above.</li></ul><div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.7px;line-height:19.05px;"><br></span></font></div></div><div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.7px;line-height:19.05px;">So the question is, can "NB non-member"s start a WG? Do they need sponsorship from a member to do so?<br></span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.7px;line-height:19.05px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.7px;line-height:19.05px;">Sorry if this has drifted from the original topic.</span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.7px;line-height:19.05px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.7px;line-height:19.05px;">-Travis</span></font></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 1 February 2016 at 14:37, Trent Robbins <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank">robbintt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">I don't see this as bikeshedding, but at this point this needs to be spun off noisebridge discuss into a working group so we don't all have to be exposed to it. Please use the <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/FractalWorkingGroup" target="_blank">fractal working group model</a> if you wish to. Note that the fractal working group page needs updated. Anyone can participate in a fractal working group, it has nothing to do with membership at all.</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small;"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Trent Robbins</div><div>Tau Informatics LLC</div><div>desk: <a target="_blank">415-404-9452</a></div><div>cell: <a target="_blank">513-233-5651</a></div><div><a target="_blank">trent@tauinformatics.com</a></div><div>@trentrobbins</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div>
<br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Rubin Abdi <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank">rubin@starset.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Here are some wiki pages...<div><br></div><div><a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/It%27s_a_Wiki" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/It's_a_Wiki</a><br></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality</a><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 1 February 2016 at 14:23, Travis Briggs <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank">audiodude@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">A brief search turns up Extension:Translate <<a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate" target="_blank">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate</a>> which requires MediaWiki 1.24. From this page <<a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Special:Version" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Special:Version</a>>, it looks like Noisebridge is on 1.19.1<div><br></div><div>The cool part about that extension is that it supports "auto" translation of pages by integrating with an online translation service. It also has a web interface where people could translate pages, as well as gettext export for offline translation, which could be used to build a custom workflow.</div><div><br></div><div>I think if you really want to translate the Noisebridge website, this is what you want.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Travis</div></font></span></div><div><div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 1 February 2016 at 14:09, Jeffrey Carl Faden <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Making Noisebridge into an �app� rather than a wiki has been discussed before and no one has amassed the appropriate amount of effort or support to make it a reality. I personally believe that the wiki ain�t broke, we don�t need to fix it, and the path forward should simply be to upgrade it to a version of MediaWiki that supports i18n.<br>
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> On Feb 1, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Rob M <<a target="_blank">veryprofessionalguy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> What's the plan for the frontpage revamp? I learned earlier this morning that it's somehow done in mediawiki (didn't know that was a thing). I was going to recommend working on translations for the front-end because it's more stable than the typical 'manual info' that get's updated in noisebridge's wiki, but I guess the whole thing is a wiki. Have people discussed making a more solidified 'app' of our landing page?<br>
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> If we have the content somewhere on github, we'll still have write access, it's just more involved getting PRs into master, and doing code rollouts/ content updates.<br>
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> On 02/01/2016 01:54 PM, Rubin Abdi wrote:<br>
>> Considering we've got a todo item to do a revamp/clean up of the front page and all linked to pages, I would advise holding off on hiring translations services until that work is done.<br>
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>> On 1 February 2016 at 09:49, Mitch Altman <<a target="_blank">maltman23@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Aweseome!<br>
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>> If you want to make other languages happen on the Noisebridge wiki, while being non-disruptive to the usability of the site, I'd be way into it. You'll need to coordinate with Jeffrey and others, assuming they're also into it.<br>
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</span><span>>> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 23:44:16 -0800<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] front page translation to spanish<br>
>> From: <a target="_blank">dmhomee@gmail.com</a><br>
>> To: <a target="_blank">maltman23@hotmail.com</a><br>
>> CC: <a target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>; <a target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
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>> Omg it would be for iOS development!<br>
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>> On that topic, I think it would be pretty cool to get chinese and vietnamese translation as well....<br>
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>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Mitch Altman <<a target="_blank">maltman23@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> It would be great to get more Hispanic people to become part of our community.<br>
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>> Praveen -- using Noisebridge for meetups is way cool, as long as it is about why Noisebridge exists, which is hacking: art, craft, tech, science, making things, fixing things, workshops and classes as related to the above, politics and society as related to the above.<br>
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</span><div><div>>> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:54:17 -0800<br>
>> From: <a target="_blank">dmhomee@gmail.com</a><br>
>> To: <a target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a><br>
>> CC: <a target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] front page translation to spanish<br>
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>> Yes, it is a good use of time. Getting the initial translation will provide for a template, and it is easier to update over time. It will encourage more spanish speakers at the space, and that in turn will help with maintenance.<br>
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>> I may be starting work with immigrant students at city college soon, and I'd like to use noisebridge for a meet ups.<br>
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>> I /really/ don't like machine translation a) it's shitty for anything more than a sentence. b) a human touch is just better!<br>
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>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <<a target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Is that really a good use of time?<br>
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>> If you have a separate Spanish front page, what happens if someone edits the English one? Then you have out-of-date information.<br>
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>> That, or you�re asking for someone to translate all of their edits.<br>
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>> I think a better approach would be to make sure the copy on the pages you�re interested in internationalizing still read well when sent through an online translator. Unless you have some sort of deep-seated resentment against Google�s free services, I don�t see why Google Translate is such a bad idea for a page with non-colloquial English phrasing.<br>
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>> Jeffrey<br>
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>> > On Jan 31, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Praveen Sinha <<a target="_blank">dmhomee@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> > Yo Noisebridge,<br>
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>> > One of the biggest irks of accessibility to me was the lack of spanish language documents while situated in a latino neighborhood. In specific, I'm thinking about hiring someone to translate our front wiki page, and maybe some supporting docs.... But I think the front page is locked down right now. Anyone know who I should to talk to get such an initiative going?<br>
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>> > con amor,<br>
>> > Praveen<br>
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