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In the past week I've seen far more negative evidence of rape and
safe space issues about Jacob than I've ever seen about more minor
infractions on the 86 page (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/86">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/86</a>). I do
think there should be an open place for people to appeal claims made
against them... I have a feeling that if such a channel existed at
NB, it wouldn't do Jacob very much good given the enumeration of
grievances multiplying against him. But if I ever dose off at NB,
it's cause I'm waiting for things to compile/ build/ or just resting
my eyes cause it's been a really long day at the terminal. <br>
<br>
About the 'who' question, you can do some snooping on the key with a
couple console commands/ web searches. The message was placed their
by some persons with access to a very old bot sitting on NB's wiki.
It was cool to see the message was signed, but it was signed by
someone (*group) holding <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:noisebridge@riseup.net">noisebridge@riseup.net</a>, which was made and
uploaded today. Some people take their reputation's very seriously,
so seriously that they decide to remain silent it situations where
it's ethically questionable to do so. That's an aspect of human
nature that's hard to for us to reconcile as we look at ourselves
--you actually see that acknowledged in many of the testimonials on
Jacob's new home page. <br>
<br>
Anyway, you can see signers of the <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:noisebridge@riseup.net">noisebridge@riseup.net</a> key coming
in by looking up the keys web of trust status. It looks like a
pretty trustworthy Noisebridgy key to me. <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gist.github.com/TheNotary/ee2bf65c378214b6713f420c28b579d6">https://gist.github.com/TheNotary/ee2bf65c378214b6713f420c28b579d6</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/10/2016 07:46 PM, Andrey Fedorov
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Take jim's message as a request for documentation,
not necessarily a refusal to do his own research. After reading
all the original sources I can find, the accounts don't describe
someone who I'd be close friends or get in bed with, but that
bar is a bit higher than "I never want to be in the same room as
him". The anonymous nature of the announcement and non-public
reasoning that led to it is definitely weird.
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<div>More generally (i.e. NOT about this case in particular):
smear campaigns do happen, and if whatever process is in place
for banning folks doesn't protect people from being targets,
then being part of the community becomes a risk for those who
work on things someone might want to retaliate against. That's
not unequivocally a good or a bad thing, just something that
affects the nature of the community.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Ceren
Ercen <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ceren@ercen.com" target="_blank">ceren@ercen.com</a>></span>
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<p dir="ltr">Try doing the absolute minimum of Google
searches before complaining or waving conspiracy theories
around. You'll come off as less uninformed. Don't complain
when we don't do your Google searches for you.</p>
<p dir="ltr"> And for the rest of you who "never noticed
anything wrong".... that's on you. And you may want to
take a moment and examine yourself, to consider why you
overlooked years of warning signs. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Also, I'm only disappointed that there hadn't
been discussion of this problem on this list, yet, but as
I'm not physically located nearby SF this year, I decided
it wasn't my place to open one.</p>
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<div class="h5">On Jun 10, 2016 9:06 PM, "jim" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jim@well.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a></a>> wrote:<br
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<font face="monospace">I subxcribe to the
Noisebridge-announce mailing <br>
list. Today I received email from <br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:noisebridge@riseup.net"
target="_blank">noisebridge@riseup.net</a> <br>
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sent to the Noisebridge-announce list. Here is
the <br>
entire content of the body of the message: <br>
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<font face="monospace"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge_Statement_on_Jacob_Appelbaum"
target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge_Statement_on_Jacob_Appelbaum</a>
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Below is my reply to the message: <br>
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This is coming out of the blue for me. I
have <br>
heard no claims against Jake for any reason. <br>
<br>
My questions are <br>
* who wrote this <br>
* what is the basis of the claims against Jake?
<br>
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The anonymity of the writer makes me
suspicious. <br>
The lack of information behind the primary
claim <br>
makes me suspicious. <br>
This may be an artifact of a smear campaign.
<br>
<br>
I'm presenting my concern to the
Noisebridge-discuss <br>
mailing list hoping for information. I really
hope <br>
this does not develop into an emotional
discussion. <br>
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