<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>I would like to avoid investing thousands more into common area repairs on a building we might get kicked out of when our lease ends next year, so we should be judicious in how we spend general fund money on the elevator. If there's a way to force the landlord to pay, that would be good. If we can pay for it ourselves and deduct the cost from our rent, even better, since the landlord is so slow at fixing the issue.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">We also need to consider our two other options of trying to buy the building, which would mean we can confidently spend as much as needed on the elevator knowing the building is ours, or moving to the Redstone Building, where we may have an offer for a 15,000sqft space at below market rate. The Redstone thing is pretty vague right now, but we have some sense of how much 2169 Mission is worth, and I'm pretty confident we could cover a mortgage if we can get a down payment together and the owner is willing to sell.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">With our lease running out next year, I want to keep growing the general fund cushion, since we may need it to survive.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">John<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 12, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Trent Robbins <<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com">robbintt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">With regards to the elevator fund, I think $400 is too low and don't see any need to put a cap on expenses within reasonable expense.  As I mentioned in a previous email I don't support paying individuals for work except if mandated to do so by the state.<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_2171097125008179066gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Trent</div></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM,
              John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                I would support spending a certain amount of money for
                parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about
                anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge
                bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in
                addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances,
                cleaning trash, running the access control and server
                systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We
                can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to
                keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's
                responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've
                done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
                be faster. Even though we're spending money on a
                building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space
                accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it
                would be best if there was a separate fundraising push
                or donation to make it happen, which was the case with
                the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less
                than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from
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                Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should
                necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the
                elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would
                encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into
                whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to
                fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to
                the landlord.<br>
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                I also think it would be excellent for people to donate
                money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the
                elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I
                could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm
                all for people being paid for their work, but know that
                Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the
                critical work that has to be done to keep the space
                operating.<br>
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                    > On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>>
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                    > Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation
                    Naomi.<br>
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                    > Here is a follow-up email as requested.  I
                    brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago
                    at the Noisebridge meeting.  I was told if nothing
                    was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a
                    formal consensus item.  So here it is. The proposed
                    consensus item is as follows:<br>
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                    > I request that we establish an Elevator Repair
                    Fund at Noisebridge.  This fund could be as modest
                    or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum
                    of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to
                    benefit the space.<br>
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                    > The elevator is necessary for those that use
                    Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as
                    wheelchairs), for people with non-visible
                    disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.),
                    for incoming large furniture and donations, and for
                    taking out the regular trash.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > As many know, the elevator was broken for a
                    full 2 months recently.  Unlike broken tools or
                    equipment, this made the space completely
                    inaccessible for members in the community.  I think
                    it would be most excellent to prevent this in the
                    future by establishing a modest fund whereby we
                    could hire people, obtain necessary parts and
                    supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to
                    the space.<br>
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                    > Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to
                    be fully safe and operational.  There is machine
                    work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call
                    light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch
                    detection issues, and other things all documented on
                    the elevator wiki.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Looking forward to hearing input from the
                    community.  Hopefully we can all agree that this
                    would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
                    > .<br>
                    > -Zach<br>
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                    > From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@li<wbr>sts.noisebridge.net</a>
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                    on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
                    > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
                    > To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
                    > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge
                    Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
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                    > Greetings, NB(D),<br>
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                    > A meeting occurred!<br>
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                    > Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item
                    from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an
                    officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > The argument revolves around the idea that the
                    Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the
                    general equipment fund usually falls into the
                    category of "it would be cool if".<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Zach should post a followup to this email to
                    make his proposal more concrete.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
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                    > TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
                    ><br>
                    > *   Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct
                    18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
                    workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
                    > *   Finances: ???<br>
                    > *   New members: nope but we should contact
                    Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
                    > *   New philanthropists: nope<br>
                    > *   Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
                    > *   Discussion Items: people lost interest and
                    went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
                    ><br>
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                    > --<br>
                    > Naomi Theora Most<br>
                    > <a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi@nthmost.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi<wbr>@nthmost.com</a>><br>
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                    > skype: nthmost<br>
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