<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>I would like to avoid investing thousands more into common area repairs on a building we might get kicked out of when our lease ends next year, so we should be judicious in how we spend general fund money on the elevator. If there's a way to force the landlord to pay, that would be good. If we can pay for it ourselves and deduct the cost from our rent, even better, since the landlord is so slow at fixing the issue.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">We also need to consider our two other options of trying to buy the building, which would mean we can confidently spend as much as needed on the elevator knowing the building is ours, or moving to the Redstone Building, where we may have an offer for a 15,000sqft space at below market rate. The Redstone thing is pretty vague right now, but we have some sense of how much 2169 Mission is worth, and I'm pretty confident we could cover a mortgage if we can get a down payment together and the owner is willing to sell.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">With our lease running out next year, I want to keep growing the general fund cushion, since we may need it to survive.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">John<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 12, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Trent Robbins <<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com">robbintt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">With regards to the elevator fund, I think $400 is too low and don't see any need to put a cap on expenses within reasonable expense. As I mentioned in a previous email I don't support paying individuals for work except if mandated to do so by the state.<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_2171097125008179066gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Trent</div></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM,
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I would support spending a certain amount of money for
parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about
anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge
bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in
addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances,
cleaning trash, running the access control and server
systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We
can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to
keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's
responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've
done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
be faster. Even though we're spending money on a
building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space
accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it
would be best if there was a separate fundraising push
or donation to make it happen, which was the case with
the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less
than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from
the general f<br>
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Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should
necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the
elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would
encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into
whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to
fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to
the landlord.<br>
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I also think it would be excellent for people to donate
money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the
elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I
could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm
all for people being paid for their work, but know that
Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the
critical work that has to be done to keep the space
operating.<br>
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John<br>
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation
Naomi.<br>
><br>
> Here is a follow-up email as requested. I
brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago
at the Noisebridge meeting. I was told if nothing
was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a
formal consensus item. So here it is. The proposed
consensus item is as follows:<br>
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> I request that we establish an Elevator Repair
Fund at Noisebridge. This fund could be as modest
or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum
of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to
benefit the space.<br>
><br>
> The elevator is necessary for those that use
Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as
wheelchairs), for people with non-visible
disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.),
for incoming large furniture and donations, and for
taking out the regular trash.<br>
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> As many know, the elevator was broken for a
full 2 months recently. Unlike broken tools or
equipment, this made the space completely
inaccessible for members in the community. I think
it would be most excellent to prevent this in the
future by establishing a modest fund whereby we
could hire people, obtain necessary parts and
supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to
the space.<br>
><br>
> Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to
be fully safe and operational. There is machine
work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call
light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch
detection issues, and other things all documented on
the elevator wiki.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to hearing input from the
community. Hopefully we can all agree that this
would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
> .<br>
> -Zach<br>
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> ______________________________<wbr>__________<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@li<wbr>sts.noisebridge.net</a>
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on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
> To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge
Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
><br>
> Greetings, NB(D),<br>
><br>
> A meeting occurred!<br>
><br>
> Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item
from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an
officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
><br>
> The argument revolves around the idea that the
Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the
general equipment fund usually falls into the
category of "it would be cool if".<br>
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> Zach should post a followup to this email to
make his proposal more concrete.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
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> TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
><br>
> * Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct
18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
> * Finances: ???<br>
> * New members: nope but we should contact
Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
> * New philanthropists: nope<br>
> * Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
> * Discussion Items: people lost interest and
went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
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> --<br>
> Naomi Theora Most<br>
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> <a href="tel:%2B1-415-728-7490" value="+14157287490" target="_blank">+1-415-728-7490</a><br>
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