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<tt> seems to me the elevator fund should provide some <br>
money, mostly enough to pay all or most of anticipated <br>
parts required: what kinds of parts are we likely to <br>
need, where to get (or make) them (* optional story <br>
below *), what cost each? <br>
should be okay that the fund is somewhat insufficient; <br>
it should be enough for any small parts and near enough <br>
for likely expensive parts. <br>
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v. bad idea to pay NB members for their time working <br>
to improve the place. <br>
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[* optional story, a great hack in the desert *] <br>
An American on adventure drove through the Baja <br>
peninsula. Roads and heat were rough. At some point <br>
the vehicle threw a rod (metal link between a piston <br>
and engine crank). <br>
The American was used to going to parts stores. No <br>
parts stores in the Baja desert, but there was a woman <br>
who lived there. The American approached her and asked <br>
where were parts stores? <br>
The woman asked what was wrong. He explained. She <br>
told him it was okay, there were no parts stores, but <br>
she could fix the problem. <br>
The two of them dismantled the engine to the point <br>
they could extract the broken rod. The woman took the <br>
two pieces of the rod and pressed them together into <br>
the desert sand. <br>
She then got out an oxy-acetylene torch and blasted <br>
the two pieces of the rod until they melted. Pressed <br>
into the soil, the molten metal had no place to go other <br>
than to reform itself into the cavity made by the two <br>
pieces of the broken rod. Presto, a new, unbroken rod. <br>
After it cooled, they re-installed the rod and <br>
re-assembled the engine. <br>
The American was able to drive away (and probably <br>
found a parts store on his travels). <br>
<br>
We might try that if some custom part breaks: press <br>
the pieces together in some sand or proper clay and <br>
fire up a torch to recreate the part. <br>
[end optional story] <br>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr">With regards to the elevator fund, I think $400 is
too low and don't see any need to put a cap on expenses within
reasonable expense. As I mentioned in a previous email I don't
support paying individuals for work except if mandated to do so
by the state.
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2017 at 11:33 AM, John Shutt <span
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from #finance-wg on Slack:<br>
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I would support spending a certain
amount of money for parts for the
elevator, but share others' concerns
about anyone getting paid for their time
from the Noisebridge bank account. There
are lots of critical tasks in addition
to fixing the elevator: managing
finances, cleaning trash, running the
access control and server systems,
leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people,
etc. We can't pay for all of the work
that needs to be done to keep the space
running. Legally it's the landlord's
responsibility to keep the elevator
working, but they've done a very poor
job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
be faster. Even though we're spending
money on a building we don't own, it's
worth it to make the space accessible.
As for a separate elevator fund, I think
it would be best if there was a separate
fundraising push or donation to make it
happen, which was the case with the
broadcast fund and equipment fund, but
if it's less than $400 per year for
parts I don't think spending from the
general f<br>
und is a big deal.<br>
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Adding to the Slack post: I don't think
$400 should necessarily be a cap on our
budget for parts for the elevator, if it
needs more than that. And I would
encourage anyone interested in doing so
to look into whether we can legally pay
a licensed professional to fix the
elevator and deduct the cost from our
rent to the landlord.<br>
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I also think it would be excellent for
people to donate money to Zach through
PayPal for his work on the elevator,
outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated
what I could, which is unfortunately not
much right now. I'm all for people being
paid for their work, but know that
Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay
for all the critical work that has to be
done to keep the space operating.<br>
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM,
Zach R <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Thanks for the meeting notes
and facilitation Naomi.<br>
><br>
> Here is a follow-up email as
requested. I brought this item up
as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago at
the Noisebridge meeting. I was told
if nothing was done in 2 weeks that
I should bring it up as a formal
consensus item. So here it is. The
proposed consensus item is as
follows:<br>
><br>
> I request that we establish an
Elevator Repair Fund at
Noisebridge. This fund could be as
modest or ambitious as people like,
but I believe a minimum of $400 per
annual year would do a great deal to
benefit the space.<br>
><br>
> The elevator is necessary for
those that use Noisebridge with
mobility aids (such as wheelchairs),
for people with non-visible
disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS,
fibro, etc.), for incoming large
furniture and donations, and for
taking out the regular trash.<br>
><br>
> As many know, the elevator was
broken for a full 2 months
recently. Unlike broken tools or
equipment, this made the space
completely inaccessible for members
in the community. I think it would
be most excellent to prevent this in
the future by establishing a modest
fund whereby we could hire people,
obtain necessary parts and supplies,
and keep this "must need" basic
access to the space.<br>
><br>
> Note: the elevator still needs
a lot of work to be fully safe and
operational. There is machine work
to fix the broken front gate, a
missing call light downstairs, a
call box repair, floor switch
detection issues, and other things
all documented on the elevator wiki.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to hearing
input from the community. Hopefully
we can all agree that this would be
a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
> .<br>
> -Zach<br>
><br>
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on behalf of Naomi Most [<a
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target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017
10:02 PM<br>
> To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss]
Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
><br>
> Greetings, NB(D),<br>
><br>
> A meeting occurred!<br>
><br>
> Notably, we have a Real Live
Consensus Item from Zach concerning
the idea of setting up an officially
set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
><br>
> The argument revolves around
the idea that the Elevator is a
"must have" whereas stuff in the
general equipment fund usually falls
into the category of "it would be
cool if".<br>
><br>
> Zach should post a followup to
this email to make his proposal more
concrete.<br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
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> TLDR what happened at the
meeting:<br>
><br>
> * Announcements: Haskell
Class starting Oct 18th (every 1st
and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
workshop every 2nd and 4th
Wednesday.<br>
> * Finances: ???<br>
> * New members: nope but we
should contact Merlin and let her
know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
> * New philanthropists: nope<br>
> * Consensus Items: Elevator
Repair Fund<br>
> * Discussion Items: people
lost interest and went to the
Internet Archive at this point.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Naomi Theora Most<br>
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> skype: nthmost<br>
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