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<tt> we should settle on an upper limit for <br>
what we're willing to spend on elevator <br>
repairs, significantly less than $10K in <br>
my view. <br>
I'm willing to chip in if someone tells <br>
me where, who, how. <br>
i'm for an earmarked fund to be used for <br>
small, maybe medium, repairs in the case <br>
that we can't first get the landlord and <br>
agents to respond. the elevator is of <br>
elevated importance for disabled and for <br>
heavy loads (including garbae). <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2017 04:33 PM, John Shutt
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I spent yesterday at the Department of Building Inspection with
revised plans, which were rejected since we need a signature from
a licensed architect. I’m reaching out to a friend who is a
licensed architect to see if I can get them to sign the drawings
as the architect of record. I also need to look into our insurance
liability for third-party “contractors” like architects or
accountants.
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<div class="">The possible consequence is that DBI decides to call
a Director’s Hearing, which hears evidence on the complaint and
decides what to do next. I have documentation showing that we
tried to submit our plans before the deadline, and a voicemail
from the inspector saying that we needed drawings “by a licensed
architect or design professional,” which is the root of the
confusion: we have drawings by a design professional, but not a
licensed architect. So typically if it gets to a Director’s
Hearing and there are more inspections needed, we would need to
pay a fee for those extra inspections. I would push back on that
since we have clearly been trying hard to comply with the
instructions we were given.</div>
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<div class="">Bureaucracy is a mess, but we’ll get through it. We
shouldn’t have to tear down the SparkleForge.</div>
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<div class="">@Kevin: As I said before, from what I’ve been told,
I’m the only person who donated to Zach’s PayPal address when he
posted it after working to fix the elevator. I’m putting my
personal money where my mouth is when it comes to this, and I’m
flat broke. Did you donate? If not, how dismayed are you really?</div>
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<div class="">The two questions are whether Noisebridge should
invest general fund money into the building besides what we are
ordered to invest by the state, and whether Noisebridge should
pay people out of the general fund for their time and work on
the space. From the feedback we’ve gotten, the answer to the
second question is no. People have blocking concerns.</div>
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<div class="">The answer to the first question seems to be “yes,
up to a point.” We would absolutely need to think about it if it
cost $10,000 or something. Our lease is up next year. If we
spend a huge amount of our money on a building we don’t own and
then get kicked out, we might be screwed. Maybe that money would
be better spent moving to a different building. Maybe we can
find a way to force the landlord to pay for it. Have you
researched how to force the landlord to pay? Or how much repairs
cost? Do you have numbers that could actually help us make
decisions about how to fix the elevator?</div>
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<div class="">Of course you have to think about this stuff. If you
don’t think about it you run out of money. If you do think about
it, you survive. If someone were to actually do the research and
find out how much it would cost to hire an elevator repair
company, maybe that’s $500, maybe that’s $20,000. Maybe if it’s
$20,000 we still decide to spend it. More likely we work it out
with the landlord where we would pay for the repairs and deduct
it from our rent. Or if we can’t force the landlord to comply,
we hold a major fundraiser.</div>
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<div class="">As for your hypothetical, I would have the exact
same response if there was a critical issue with the third-floor
door. I would suggest that I would support spending a certain
amount of money to fix it, but it would be preferable if people
raised money independently for the project. That’s obviously
preferable since it keeps from draining the general fund.</div>
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<div class="">In this actual case, this discussion led to an
observer pledging money to a dedicated Elevator Repair Fund
nearly double the size of what was originally requested, which I
consider a good outcome. If that’s inadequate to keep the
elevator in good repair, then we can match it with money from
the equipment fund. So now we have $1,440 to work with, without
tapping the general fund. That’s $1,040 more than was requested,
and it’s available because we discussed it.</div>
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<div class="">If that’s still not enough, we can think and talk
about tapping the general fund—and my feeling is that we should!
But it always has to be talked about and thought through, to
arrive at the best outcome.</div>
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<div class="">On Oct 12, 2017, at 10:55 PM, <a
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<div class="">What is the status of "Building Permit
Application#inspectiongate?" <br class="">
What will happen at 2:00 PM Friday? <br class="">
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:48:30 -0700 "kprichard" <br
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">Let's say the 3rd floor
stairs door got stuck, nobody can come in <br
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or out.<br class="">
Landlord's repair person says they can't come for
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