<div dir="auto">I am pretty sure 2169 is already "below market" rent. However, the idea of moving Noisebridge to something where we purchase a space outright has crossed my mind and it would shift the onus of Landlord type situations to situations which would be under the extant purvey of Noisebridge's inner workings.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm not sure if other people are into that idea, though it's my understanding that some other 501(c)3 non profit have had their spaces outright donated to them, so at least setting our sights a bit higher than merely renting does not seem out of the question. When Noisebridge began, it was an experiment which no one was sure would last (New Hack City imploded and part of it's drama is why we structured our governance in a different manner so that primary tenants/leaseholders couldn't 86 the experiment simply because they took issue with something, similarly, Unicorn Precinct 13 was always Gweeds' personal space occasionally made available to a very slightly wider audience entirely at Gweeds' discretion and whims).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Honestly I was a bit amazed Noisebridge outgrew 83c, and downright flabbergasted it made it to its 10 year anniversary. Particularly given that one of its most vocal cofounders, Jake, has been implicated in international scandals, and Adam J. O'Donnell (javaman) who claimed to have come up with the name, has since been determined to be an avowed FBI informant.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I still think Noisebridge has fallen far short of C-base which inspired it, but if thinking forward to the next 10 years, maybe we can think about doing more than merely rent? Even as an individual I have bought and sold homes, and I imagine something that might be a good fit for Noisebridge's future is out there somewhere. There's a commercial space on the corner of 18th and Mission which is in utter disrepair and apparently the last buyer paid a ludicrous <span class="money">$5</span> million for it and now doesn't know what to do with it from what little research I did on that. Not to suggest Noisebridge should be interested in that particular space, but even the SF Armory was purchased for around <span class="money">$7</span> million and that is approximately a 300,000 sq ft facility with much more going for it than the derelict neighbor corner theater in disrepair.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I seem to recall Mitch stating we spend somewhere on the order of $70,000 a year on Noisebridge's rent and utilities costs. I think for that much, extrapolated over another decade, and we could probably be paying for a mortgage on a space which might have a lot more to offer for everyone with fewer landlord concerns.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anyway, that's where my thoughts are about such things. If we are going to move the space anytime soon, simply becoming a tenant of another establishment doesn't seem like a wise move nor way forward. Don't forget we were seminal in inspiring and influencing other commercial franchises like Tech Shop. I think we can probably set our sites higher while still maintaining our values of inclusivity and consensus driven excellent experimentation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 15, 2017 1:57 PM, "John Shutt" <<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>I'm sorry you've been blocked from using the space by the busted elevator...</div><div><br></div><div>I spoke to people at Housing Inspection, which is where elevator complaints were directed, and they said they can't really do anything since we're a commercial building. Our only recourse might be if there's something in our lease that specifies the landlord will maintain the elevator, but I haven't seen our lease agreement. Anyone have a copy? I wouldn't mind negotiating that we would take over regular elevator maintenance and deduct it from our rent for future lease agreements, since the landlord isn't handling this stuff effectively.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm going to try to set up a chat with the executive director at The Lab, which is trying to buy the Redstone Building and told Mitch that they would offer Noisebridge a 15,000sqft space at below market. I want to get some actual numbers on the proposed rent and see how far along they are in trying to buy the building, as well as the state of the elevators, bathrooms, and everything else. </div><div><br></div><div>Everyone who feels inclined to do so can look at other options if we need to or decide to move. Our lease is up next year, I think in August, so it would be good to have options well before then. I know Trent is also looking at the Redstone Building, and we've both done (a little) research on mortgages if Noisebridge were to try to buy a building and not be at the mercy of landlords any more.</div><div><br></div><div>John<br><br><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div><br>On Oct 15, 2017, at 2:59 AM, ilsa <<a href="mailto:ilsa.bartlett@gmail.com" target="_blank">ilsa.bartlett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I stopped coming to offer my service in my reticent listening to people in crisis because of no elevator. Is there a search committee for a NB space without elevator problems. Character helps many move in a common direction. We may start in many directions but it is important to recognize that there are people who just have been closed out. Are those who cannot walk up steps be tossed aside? <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">How to get the landlord to behave better?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Thanks, ilsa<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-6241678303528911696gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ff0000">Ilsa Bartlett</font></font><div><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#3333ff">Institute for Rewiring the System</font></font></font><br><a href="http://ilsabartlett.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://ilsabartlett.wordpress.<wbr>com</a><br></div><div><a href="http://www.google.com/profiles/ilsa.bartlett" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/<wbr>profiles/ilsa.bartlett</a><br><a href="http://www.hotlux.com/angel.htm" target="_blank">www.hotlux.com/angel</a><br><br>"Don't ever get so big or important that you can not hear and listen to every other person."<br>-John Coltrane</div></div></div></div>
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1. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (John Shutt)<br>
2. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (Trent Robbins)<br>
3. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (jim)<br>
4. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (Trent Robbins)<br>
5. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (John Shutt)<br>
6. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (jim)<br>
7. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (Revolt)<br>
8. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (jim)<br>
9. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (kprichard)<br>
10. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (John Shutt)<br>
11. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (John Shutt)<br>
12. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (Zach R)<br>
13. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (kprichard)<br>
14. Re: Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017 (<a href="mailto:frankbn@nym.hush.com" target="_blank">frankbn@nym.hush.com</a>)<br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: John Shutt <<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@<wbr>lists.noisebridge.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.<wbr>noisebridge.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:33:37 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>X-post from #finance-wg on Slack:<br>
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I would support spending a certain amount of money for parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances, cleaning trash, running the access control and server systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will be faster. Even though we're spending money on a building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it would be best if there was a separate fundraising push or donation to make it happen, which was the case with the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from the general fund is a big deal.<br>
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Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to the landlord.<br>
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I also think it would be excellent for people to donate money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm all for people being paid for their work, but know that Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the critical work that has to be done to keep the space operating.<br>
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John<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<br>
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation Naomi.<br>
><br>
> Here is a follow-up email as requested. I brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago at the Noisebridge meeting. I was told if nothing was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a formal consensus item. So here it is. The proposed consensus item is as follows:<br>
><br>
> I request that we establish an Elevator Repair Fund at Noisebridge. This fund could be as modest or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to benefit the space.<br>
><br>
> The elevator is necessary for those that use Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as wheelchairs), for people with non-visible disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.), for incoming large furniture and donations, and for taking out the regular trash.<br>
><br>
> As many know, the elevator was broken for a full 2 months recently. Unlike broken tools or equipment, this made the space completely inaccessible for members in the community. I think it would be most excellent to prevent this in the future by establishing a modest fund whereby we could hire people, obtain necessary parts and supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to the space.<br>
><br>
> Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to be fully safe and operational. There is machine work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch detection issues, and other things all documented on the elevator wiki.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to hearing input from the community. Hopefully we can all agree that this would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
> .<br>
> -Zach<br>
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> From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@li<wbr>sts.noisebridge.net</a> [<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@l<wbr>ists.noisebridge.net</a>] on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
> To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
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> Greetings, NB(D),<br>
><br>
> A meeting occurred!<br>
><br>
> Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
><br>
> The argument revolves around the idea that the Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the general equipment fund usually falls into the category of "it would be cool if".<br>
><br>
> Zach should post a followup to this email to make his proposal more concrete.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
><br>
> * Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct 18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
> * Finances: ???<br>
> * New members: nope but we should contact Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
> * New philanthropists: nope<br>
> * Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
> * Discussion Items: people lost interest and went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Trent Robbins <<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com" target="_blank">robbintt@gmail.com</a>><br>To: John Shutt <<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@<wbr>lists.noisebridge.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.<wbr>noisebridge.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 12:06:14 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br><div dir="ltr">I feel that paying people for work they do on Noisebridge infrastructure runs counter to what Noisebridge is.<div><br></div><div>I wanted to write something complex but this webpage has a far better collection of thoughts than I could come up with on my own: <a href="https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy" target="_blank">https://communitywiki.org<wbr>/wiki/DoOcracy</a><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-6241678303528911696m_-5453586069538562385gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Trent</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM, John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">X-post from #finance-wg on Slack:<br>
<br>
I would support spending a certain amount of money for parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances, cleaning trash, running the access control and server systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will be faster. Even though we're spending money on a building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it would be best if there was a separate fundraising push or donation to make it happen, which was the case with the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from the general f<br>
und is a big deal.<br>
<br>
Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to the landlord.<br>
<br>
I also think it would be excellent for people to donate money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm all for people being paid for their work, but know that Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the critical work that has to be done to keep the space operating.<br>
<br>
John<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<br>
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation Naomi.<br>
><br>
> Here is a follow-up email as requested. I brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago at the Noisebridge meeting. I was told if nothing was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a formal consensus item. So here it is. The proposed consensus item is as follows:<br>
><br>
> I request that we establish an Elevator Repair Fund at Noisebridge. This fund could be as modest or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to benefit the space.<br>
><br>
> The elevator is necessary for those that use Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as wheelchairs), for people with non-visible disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.), for incoming large furniture and donations, and for taking out the regular trash.<br>
><br>
> As many know, the elevator was broken for a full 2 months recently. Unlike broken tools or equipment, this made the space completely inaccessible for members in the community. I think it would be most excellent to prevent this in the future by establishing a modest fund whereby we could hire people, obtain necessary parts and supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to the space.<br>
><br>
> Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to be fully safe and operational. There is machine work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch detection issues, and other things all documented on the elevator wiki.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to hearing input from the community. Hopefully we can all agree that this would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
> .<br>
> -Zach<br>
><br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>__________<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@li<wbr>sts.noisebridge.net</a> [<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@l<wbr>ists.noisebridge.net</a>] on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
> To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
><br>
> Greetings, NB(D),<br>
><br>
> A meeting occurred!<br>
><br>
> Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
><br>
> The argument revolves around the idea that the Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the general equipment fund usually falls into the category of "it would be cool if".<br>
><br>
> Zach should post a followup to this email to make his proposal more concrete.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
><br>
> * Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct 18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
> * Finances: ???<br>
> * New members: nope but we should contact Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
> * New philanthropists: nope<br>
> * Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
> * Discussion Items: people lost interest and went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Naomi Theora Most<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM,
John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">X-post from
#finance-wg on Slack:<br>
<br>
I would support spending a certain amount of money for
parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about
anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge
bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in
addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances,
cleaning trash, running the access control and server
systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We
can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to
keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's
responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've
done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
be faster. Even though we're spending money on a
building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space
accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it
would be best if there was a separate fundraising push
or donation to make it happen, which was the case with
the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less
than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from
the general f<br>
und is a big deal.<br>
<br>
Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should
necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the
elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would
encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into
whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to
fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to
the landlord.<br>
<br>
I also think it would be excellent for people to donate
money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the
elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I
could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm
all for people being paid for their work, but know that
Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the
critical work that has to be done to keep the space
operating.<br>
<br>
John<br>
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation
Naomi.<br>
><br>
> Here is a follow-up email as requested. I
brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago
at the Noisebridge meeting. I was told if nothing
was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a
formal consensus item. So here it is. The proposed
consensus item is as follows:<br>
><br>
> I request that we establish an Elevator Repair
Fund at Noisebridge. This fund could be as modest
or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum
of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to
benefit the space.<br>
><br>
> The elevator is necessary for those that use
Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as
wheelchairs), for people with non-visible
disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.),
for incoming large furniture and donations, and for
taking out the regular trash.<br>
><br>
> As many know, the elevator was broken for a
full 2 months recently. Unlike broken tools or
equipment, this made the space completely
inaccessible for members in the community. I think
it would be most excellent to prevent this in the
future by establishing a modest fund whereby we
could hire people, obtain necessary parts and
supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to
the space.<br>
><br>
> Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to
be fully safe and operational. There is machine
work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call
light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch
detection issues, and other things all documented on
the elevator wiki.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to hearing input from the
community. Hopefully we can all agree that this
would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
> .<br>
> -Zach<br>
><br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>__________<br>
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[<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@l<wbr>ists.noisebridge.net</a>]
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
> To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge
Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
><br>
> Greetings, NB(D),<br>
><br>
> A meeting occurred!<br>
><br>
> Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item
from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an
officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
><br>
> The argument revolves around the idea that the
Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the
general equipment fund usually falls into the
category of "it would be cool if".<br>
><br>
> Zach should post a followup to this email to
make his proposal more concrete.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
><br>
> * Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct
18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
> * Finances: ???<br>
> * New members: nope but we should contact
Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
> * New philanthropists: nope<br>
> * Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
> * Discussion Items: people lost interest and
went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Trent Robbins <<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com" target="_blank">robbintt@gmail.com</a>><br>To: jim <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@<wbr>lists.noisebridge.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.<wbr>noisebridge.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:03:02 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br><div dir="ltr">With regards to the elevator fund, I think $400 is too low and don't see any need to put a cap on expenses within reasonable expense. As I mentioned in a previous email I don't support paying individuals for work except if mandated to do so by the state.<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-6241678303528911696m_-36555479235816692m_2171097125008179066gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Trent</div></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr">I feel that paying people for work they do on
Noisebridge infrastructure runs counter to what Noisebridge is.
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<div>I wanted to write something complex but this webpage has a
far better collection of thoughts than I could come up with on
my own: <a href="https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy" target="_blank">https://communitywiki.org<wbr>/wiki/DoOcracy</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM,
John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">X-post from
#finance-wg on Slack:<br>
<br>
I would support spending a certain amount of money for
parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about
anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge
bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in
addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances,
cleaning trash, running the access control and server
systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We
can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to
keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's
responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've
done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
be faster. Even though we're spending money on a
building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space
accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it
would be best if there was a separate fundraising push
or donation to make it happen, which was the case with
the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less
than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from
the general f<br>
und is a big deal.<br>
<br>
Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should
necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the
elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would
encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into
whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to
fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to
the landlord.<br>
<br>
I also think it would be excellent for people to donate
money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the
elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I
could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm
all for people being paid for their work, but know that
Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the
critical work that has to be done to keep the space
operating.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation
Naomi.<br>
><br>
> Here is a follow-up email as requested. I
brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago
at the Noisebridge meeting. I was told if nothing
was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a
formal consensus item. So here it is. The proposed
consensus item is as follows:<br>
><br>
> I request that we establish an Elevator Repair
Fund at Noisebridge. This fund could be as modest
or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum
of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to
benefit the space.<br>
><br>
> The elevator is necessary for those that use
Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as
wheelchairs), for people with non-visible
disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.),
for incoming large furniture and donations, and for
taking out the regular trash.<br>
><br>
> As many know, the elevator was broken for a
full 2 months recently. Unlike broken tools or
equipment, this made the space completely
inaccessible for members in the community. I think
it would be most excellent to prevent this in the
future by establishing a modest fund whereby we
could hire people, obtain necessary parts and
supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to
the space.<br>
><br>
> Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to
be fully safe and operational. There is machine
work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call
light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch
detection issues, and other things all documented on
the elevator wiki.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to hearing input from the
community. Hopefully we can all agree that this
would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
> .<br>
> -Zach<br>
><br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>__________<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@li<wbr>sts.noisebridge.net</a>
[<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-bounces@l<wbr>ists.noisebridge.net</a>]
on behalf of Naomi Most [<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
> To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge
Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
><br>
> Greetings, NB(D),<br>
><br>
> A meeting occurred!<br>
><br>
> Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item
from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an
officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
><br>
> The argument revolves around the idea that the
Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the
general equipment fund usually falls into the
category of "it would be cool if".<br>
><br>
> Zach should post a followup to this email to
make his proposal more concrete.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
><br>
> * Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct
18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
> * Finances: ???<br>
> * New members: nope but we should contact
Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
> * New philanthropists: nope<br>
> * Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
> * Discussion Items: people lost interest and
went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Naomi Theora Most<br>
> <a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi@nthmost.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi<wbr>@nthmost.com</a>><br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: John Shutt <<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Trent Robbins <<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com" target="_blank">robbintt@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@<wbr>lists.noisebridge.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.<wbr>noisebridge.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:42:38 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br><div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>I would like to avoid investing thousands more into common area repairs on a building we might get kicked out of when our lease ends next year, so we should be judicious in how we spend general fund money on the elevator. If there's a way to force the landlord to pay, that would be good. If we can pay for it ourselves and deduct the cost from our rent, even better, since the landlord is so slow at fixing the issue.</div><div id="m_-6241678303528911696m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6241678303528911696m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature">We also need to consider our two other options of trying to buy the building, which would mean we can confidently spend as much as needed on the elevator knowing the building is ours, or moving to the Redstone Building, where we may have an offer for a 15,000sqft space at below market rate. The Redstone thing is pretty vague right now, but we have some sense of how much 2169 Mission is worth, and I'm pretty confident we could cover a mortgage if we can get a down payment together and the owner is willing to sell.</div><div id="m_-6241678303528911696m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6241678303528911696m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature">With our lease running out next year, I want to keep growing the general fund cushion, since we may need it to survive.</div><div id="m_-6241678303528911696m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6241678303528911696m_3660970285068113739AppleMailSignature">John<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 12, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Trent Robbins <<a href="mailto:robbintt@gmail.com" target="_blank">robbintt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">With regards to the elevator fund, I think $400 is too low and don't see any need to put a cap on expenses within reasonable expense. As I mentioned in a previous email I don't support paying individuals for work except if mandated to do so by the state.<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-6241678303528911696m_3660970285068113739m_2171097125008179066gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Trent</div></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-6241678303528911696m_3660970285068113739m_2171097125008179066m_5015065528668722345moz-cite-prefix">On 10/12/2017 07:06 PM, Trent Robbins
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<div dir="ltr">I feel that paying people for work they do on
Noisebridge infrastructure runs counter to what Noisebridge is.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I wanted to write something complex but this webpage has a
far better collection of thoughts than I could come up with on
my own: <a href="https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy" target="_blank">https://communitywiki.org<wbr>/wiki/DoOcracy</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM,
John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span>
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#finance-wg on Slack:<br>
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I would support spending a certain amount of money for
parts for the elevator, but share others' concerns about
anyone getting paid for their time from the Noisebridge
bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in
addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances,
cleaning trash, running the access control and server
systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We
can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to
keep the space running. Legally it's the landlord's
responsibility to keep the elevator working, but they've
done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
be faster. Even though we're spending money on a
building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space
accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it
would be best if there was a separate fundraising push
or donation to make it happen, which was the case with
the broadcast fund and equipment fund, but if it's less
than $400 per year for parts I don't think spending from
the general f<br>
und is a big deal.<br>
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Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should
necessarily be a cap on our budget for parts for the
elevator, if it needs more than that. And I would
encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into
whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to
fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to
the landlord.<br>
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I also think it would be excellent for people to donate
money to Zach through PayPal for his work on the
elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated what I
could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm
all for people being paid for their work, but know that
Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the
critical work that has to be done to keep the space
operating.<br>
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John<br>
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation
Naomi.<br>
><br>
> Here is a follow-up email as requested. I
brought this item up as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago
at the Noisebridge meeting. I was told if nothing
was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a
formal consensus item. So here it is. The proposed
consensus item is as follows:<br>
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> I request that we establish an Elevator Repair
Fund at Noisebridge. This fund could be as modest
or ambitious as people like, but I believe a minimum
of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to
benefit the space.<br>
><br>
> The elevator is necessary for those that use
Noisebridge with mobility aids (such as
wheelchairs), for people with non-visible
disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.),
for incoming large furniture and donations, and for
taking out the regular trash.<br>
><br>
> As many know, the elevator was broken for a
full 2 months recently. Unlike broken tools or
equipment, this made the space completely
inaccessible for members in the community. I think
it would be most excellent to prevent this in the
future by establishing a modest fund whereby we
could hire people, obtain necessary parts and
supplies, and keep this "must need" basic access to
the space.<br>
><br>
> Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to
be fully safe and operational. There is machine
work to fix the broken front gate, a missing call
light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch
detection issues, and other things all documented on
the elevator wiki.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to hearing input from the
community. Hopefully we can all agree that this
would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
> .<br>
> -Zach<br>
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> Greetings, NB(D),<br>
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> A meeting occurred!<br>
><br>
> Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item
from Zach concerning the idea of setting up an
officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
><br>
> The argument revolves around the idea that the
Elevator is a "must have" whereas stuff in the
general equipment fund usually falls into the
category of "it would be cool if".<br>
><br>
> Zach should post a followup to this email to
make his proposal more concrete.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
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> TLDR what happened at the meeting:<br>
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> * Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct
18th (every 1st and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.<br>
> * Finances: ???<br>
> * New members: nope but we should contact
Merlin and let her know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
> * New philanthropists: nope<br>
> * Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund<br>
> * Discussion Items: people lost interest and
went to the Internet Archive at this point.<br>
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<tt> seems to me the elevator fund should provide some <br>
money, mostly enough to pay all or most of anticipated <br>
parts required: what kinds of parts are we likely to <br>
need, where to get (or make) them (* optional story <br>
below *), what cost each? <br>
should be okay that the fund is somewhat insufficient; <br>
it should be enough for any small parts and near enough <br>
for likely expensive parts. <br>
<br>
v. bad idea to pay NB members for their time working <br>
to improve the place. <br>
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[* optional story, a great hack in the desert *] <br>
An American on adventure drove through the Baja <br>
peninsula. Roads and heat were rough. At some point <br>
the vehicle threw a rod (metal link between a piston <br>
and engine crank). <br>
The American was used to going to parts stores. No <br>
parts stores in the Baja desert, but there was a woman <br>
who lived there. The American approached her and asked <br>
where were parts stores? <br>
The woman asked what was wrong. He explained. She <br>
told him it was okay, there were no parts stores, but <br>
she could fix the problem. <br>
The two of them dismantled the engine to the point <br>
they could extract the broken rod. The woman took the <br>
two pieces of the rod and pressed them together into <br>
the desert sand. <br>
She then got out an oxy-acetylene torch and blasted <br>
the two pieces of the rod until they melted. Pressed <br>
into the soil, the molten metal had no place to go other <br>
than to reform itself into the cavity made by the two <br>
pieces of the broken rod. Presto, a new, unbroken rod. <br>
After it cooled, they re-installed the rod and <br>
re-assembled the engine. <br>
The American was able to drive away (and probably <br>
found a parts store on his travels). <br>
<br>
We might try that if some custom part breaks: press <br>
the pieces together in some sand or proper clay and <br>
fire up a torch to recreate the part. <br>
[end optional story] <br>
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too low and don't see any need to put a cap on expenses within
reasonable expense. As I mentioned in a previous email I don't
support paying individuals for work except if mandated to do so
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this webpage has a far better collection of
thoughts than I could come up with on my own: <a href="https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy" target="_blank">https://communitywiki.org<wbr>/wiki/DoOcracy</a><br>
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2017 at 11:33 AM, John Shutt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.d.shutt@gmail.com" target="_blank">john.d.shutt@gmail.com</a>></span>
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from #finance-wg on Slack:<br>
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I would support spending a certain
amount of money for parts for the
elevator, but share others' concerns
about anyone getting paid for their time
from the Noisebridge bank account. There
are lots of critical tasks in addition
to fixing the elevator: managing
finances, cleaning trash, running the
access control and server systems,
leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people,
etc. We can't pay for all of the work
that needs to be done to keep the space
running. Legally it's the landlord's
responsibility to keep the elevator
working, but they've done a very poor
job and I recognize that DIY fixes will
be faster. Even though we're spending
money on a building we don't own, it's
worth it to make the space accessible.
As for a separate elevator fund, I think
it would be best if there was a separate
fundraising push or donation to make it
happen, which was the case with the
broadcast fund and equipment fund, but
if it's less than $400 per year for
parts I don't think spending from the
general f<br>
und is a big deal.<br>
<br>
Adding to the Slack post: I don't think
$400 should necessarily be a cap on our
budget for parts for the elevator, if it
needs more than that. And I would
encourage anyone interested in doing so
to look into whether we can legally pay
a licensed professional to fix the
elevator and deduct the cost from our
rent to the landlord.<br>
<br>
I also think it would be excellent for
people to donate money to Zach through
PayPal for his work on the elevator,
outside of Noisebridge funds. I donated
what I could, which is unfortunately not
much right now. I'm all for people being
paid for their work, but know that
Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay
for all the critical work that has to be
done to keep the space operating.<br>
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John<br>
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM,
Zach R <<a href="mailto:organicunity@hotmail.com" target="_blank">organicunity@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Thanks for the meeting notes
and facilitation Naomi.<br>
><br>
> Here is a follow-up email as
requested. I brought this item up
as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago at
the Noisebridge meeting. I was told
if nothing was done in 2 weeks that
I should bring it up as a formal
consensus item. So here it is. The
proposed consensus item is as
follows:<br>
><br>
> I request that we establish an
Elevator Repair Fund at
Noisebridge. This fund could be as
modest or ambitious as people like,
but I believe a minimum of $400 per
annual year would do a great deal to
benefit the space.<br>
><br>
> The elevator is necessary for
those that use Noisebridge with
mobility aids (such as wheelchairs),
for people with non-visible
disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS,
fibro, etc.), for incoming large
furniture and donations, and for
taking out the regular trash.<br>
><br>
> As many know, the elevator was
broken for a full 2 months
recently. Unlike broken tools or
equipment, this made the space
completely inaccessible for members
in the community. I think it would
be most excellent to prevent this in
the future by establishing a modest
fund whereby we could hire people,
obtain necessary parts and supplies,
and keep this "must need" basic
access to the space.<br>
><br>
> Note: the elevator still needs
a lot of work to be fully safe and
operational. There is machine work
to fix the broken front gate, a
missing call light downstairs, a
call box repair, floor switch
detection issues, and other things
all documented on the elevator wiki.<br>
><br>
> Looking forward to hearing
input from the community. Hopefully
we can all agree that this would be
a positive benefit to Noisebridge.<br>
> .<br>
> -Zach<br>
><br>
><br>
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017
10:02 PM<br>
> To: Noisebridge Discuss<br>
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss]
Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
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> Greetings, NB(D),<br>
><br>
> A meeting occurred!<br>
><br>
> Notably, we have a Real Live
Consensus Item from Zach concerning
the idea of setting up an officially
set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.<br>
><br>
> The argument revolves around
the idea that the Elevator is a
"must have" whereas stuff in the
general equipment fund usually falls
into the category of "it would be
cool if".<br>
><br>
> Zach should post a followup to
this email to make his proposal more
concrete.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/M<wbr>eeting_Notes_2017_10_10</a><br>
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><br>
> TLDR what happened at the
meeting:<br>
><br>
> * Announcements: Haskell
Class starting Oct 18th (every 1st
and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders
workshop every 2nd and 4th
Wednesday.<br>
> * Finances: ???<br>
> * New members: nope but we
should contact Merlin and let her
know she's at 4 weeks!<br>
> * New philanthropists: nope<br>
> * Consensus Items: Elevator
Repair Fund<br>
> * Discussion Items: people
lost interest and went to the
Internet Archive at this point.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Naomi Theora Most<br>
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</div><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Revolt <<a href="mailto:revoltrightnow@gmail.com" target="_blank">revoltrightnow@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.<wbr>noisebridge.net</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:02:21 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>Sending replies from my other emails since my hotmail address is<br>
bouncing on the discuss (I cannot figure out who NB Discuss Admin is,<br>
can someone put me into contact with them?)<br>
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John makes some good points about re: ownership of building. The<br>
landlord should pay, but they are not going to and the laws do not<br>
make it easy for us to "force" them. This just isn't going to happen,<br>
or it would have happened a long time ago. Like most all things at<br>
NB, this issue needs to be solved collectively by members of the<br>
community.<br>
<br>
>so we should be judicious in how we spend general fund money on the elevator.><br>
Agreed. That is why I am suggesting a modest $400/year or less budget<br>
for repairs<br>
<br>
>our lease ends next year><br>
This is good to know, I wasn't aware of this.<br>
<br>
>I would like to avoid investing thousands more into common area repairs><br>
I don't see how this applies. $400/year or less would not amount to<br>
spending anywhere near thousands of dollars if we move in 1 year...<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
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Here's what I sent earlier today (bounced from list so far):<br>
<br>
RE: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
Zach R<br>
jim (<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>);<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-dis<wbr>cuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
I think Trent makes a good point about member work at NB not being<br>
something funds are for. i.e. the Treasure is a good example of<br>
something necessary for NB to function as well.<br>
<br>
To clarify, could we agree to at least one or both of the following<br>
uses of an Elevator Fund?<br>
<br>
1) to hire /outside/ professional help with elevator repair (from a<br>
private company or union that would issue a receipt)<br>
2) to purchase parts for the elevator (with receipts)<br>
<br>
I understand the perspective of fundraising, but this requires work<br>
and I have tried this already appealing to lots of people with<br>
literally zero results. When something as necessary as the elevator<br>
is broken it shouldn't require months of fundraising efforts to get<br>
basic funds to make it run again...<br>
<br>
The landlord hasn't just done a poor job, they haven't done a job at<br>
all. The elevator would still be broken if myself and others hadn't<br>
spent the hours repairing it. This was hard to do with my<br>
disabilities and I was not able to attempt it for months. I had to<br>
injure myself and take the full initiative on this, no one else setup<br>
time to repair it. This situation was unexcellent and I am trying to<br>
avoid it in the future not if, but /when/ the elevator breaks again.<br>
<br>
Lastly, we have NB funds put aside for things less crucial than the<br>
elevator. It seems reasonable to have a small fund for this. It<br>
could be literally any amount. I thought $400/year was a reasonable<br>
place to start the conversation.<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: jim <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.<wbr>noisebridge.net</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:20:28 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br><br>
seems right to me<br>
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On 10/12/2017 10:02 PM, Revolt wrote:<br>
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Sending replies from my other emails since my hotmail address is<br>
bouncing on the discuss (I cannot figure out who NB Discuss Admin is,<br>
can someone put me into contact with them?)<br>
------<br>
<br>
John makes some good points about re: ownership of building. The<br>
landlord should pay, but they are not going to and the laws do not<br>
make it easy for us to "force" them. This just isn't going to happen,<br>
or it would have happened a long time ago. Like most all things at<br>
NB, this issue needs to be solved collectively by members of the<br>
community.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
so we should be judicious in how we spend general fund money on the elevator.><br>
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Agreed. That is why I am suggesting a modest $400/year or less budget<br>
for repairs<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
our lease ends next year><br>
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This is good to know, I wasn't aware of this.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I would like to avoid investing thousands more into common area repairs><br>
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I don't see how this applies. $400/year or less would not amount to<br>
spending anywhere near thousands of dollars if we move in 1 year...<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
---<br>
Here's what I sent earlier today (bounced from list so far):<br>
<br>
RE: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017<br>
Zach R<br>
jim (<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>);<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-dis<wbr>cuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
I think Trent makes a good point about member work at NB not being<br>
something funds are for. i.e. the Treasure is a good example of<br>
something necessary for NB to function as well.<br>
<br>
To clarify, could we agree to at least one or both of the following<br>
uses of an Elevator Fund?<br>
<br>
1) to hire /outside/ professional help with elevator repair (from a<br>
private company or union that would issue a receipt)<br>
2) to purchase parts for the elevator (with receipts)<br>
<br>
I understand the perspective of fundraising, but this requires work<br>
and I have tried this already appealing to lots of people with<br>
literally zero results. When something as necessary as the elevator<br>
is broken it shouldn't require months of fundraising efforts to get<br>
basic funds to make it run again...<br>
<br>
The landlord hasn't just done a poor job, they haven't done a job at<br>
all. The elevator would still be broken if myself and others hadn't<br>
spent the hours repairing it. This was hard to do with my<br>
disabilities and I was not able to attempt it for months. I had to<br>
injure myself and take the full initiative on this, no one else setup<br>
time to repair it. This situation was unexcellent and I am trying to<br>
avoid it in the future not if, but /when/ the elevator breaks again.<br>
<br>
Lastly, we have NB funds put aside for things less crucial than the<br>
elevator. It seems reasonable to have a small fund for this. It<br>
could be literally any amount. I thought $400/year was a reasonable<br>
place to start the conversation.<br>
<br>
-Zach<br>
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