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<tt>thank you. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/28/2018 07:34 AM, kprichard
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<div>Competing real estate brokers, landlords (including our
current), and trolls that want to harm Noisebridge's
efforts to find a new home.<br>
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Evidence for the latter exists. The first two are well
established facts of the real estate industry.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Kevin<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:34 PM, jim <span
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<tt>what evidence is there for parties not allied...? <br>
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<div class="m_-4995906067933171196moz-cite-prefix">On
02/28/2018 02:11 AM, kprichard wrote:<br>
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<div>We've begun posting notes, photos and
documents up on a sharing service. We'll
start distributing those internally in the
next 24 hours.<br>
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In the interest of protecting our search from
parties not allied to our mission, we should
find a non-public means for having an
accessible, threaded conversation -like an
internal mailing list.<br>
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Kevin<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at
5:38 PM, jarrod hicks <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>I think people outside of our Slack are
effectively excluded from full
participation in our location searching,
since that is where the collaboration is
being done. We aren't having new-space
meetings and updates regarding the search
aren't really going out to the discussion
list or wiki. (I've certainly failed in
this regard) I think the last new space
meeting was in December and it was Kevin
who put the notes on discuss.<br>
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<div>It may help us move forward better as a
whole if we get more of the new space
discussion here instead of on, or in
addition to, Slack.</div>
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<div>We could start individual threads for
the promising locations or other
discussion threads using a somewhat
standard subject line like: " -
address or subject" for easy searching and
filtering</div>
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2018 at 4:05 PM, kprichard <span
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<div>Hi Zach,<span><br>
<br>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>"Is
equal access for all a
fundamental part of
Noisebridge's
mission?"</u></b></p>
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It is! Nobody should be
prevented from coming to
Noisebridge because of
disability. Accessibilty is one
of the top criteria when we talk
about when a space is being
presented.<br>
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In the nearly eight years since
Noisebridge moved into 2169#3,
market rents have literally
quadrupled. Imagine a Noisebridge
where we're paying four times our
current rent, Zach.<br>
<br>
Philanthropist & membership
dues would be $320, not $80! That
would leave Noisebridge
inaccessible to most, if not all.
(That's more than double
TechShop's old rates, without all
their equipment.)<br>
<div><br>
To deal with that, we expanded
our search to include spaces
that are not *currently* ADA
accessible, because-<br>
a) they fit our extremely
limited size/location/price
nexus (being only 2-2.5 times
more money), AND<br>
b) we feel there's a good chance
those spaces can be upgraded to
accomodate everyone.<br>
<br>
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<div>Note that I said "not
currently ADA accessible." Of
the two spaces on the table
today, one is at least 90%
compatible (and easily brought
up to 100%), and the other has a
big hurdle (stairs) which the
landlord might be willing to
help us overcome (I am waiting
on an answer). And remember that
we have talented people with
architecture and construction
skills in our membership.<span><br>
<br>
<b> "I know finding an
accessible space is going to
be really, really hard.<span>
</span>I do ask that people
really try though.<span> </span>
That includes educating
ourselves around access and
including disabled people in
the search and in the
conversation."<br>
</b><br>
</span></div>
<div>A perfect space meeting
Noisebridge's accessibility,
size, price, location needs will
not just fall into our laps. You
can help Noisebridge by joining
the hunt and finding some spaces
which fits our needs.<br>
<br>
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<div>Try <a
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href="http://loopnet.com"
target="_blank">loopnet.com</a>
and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org"
target="_blank">sfbay.craigslist.org</a>,
those seem to be the two main
services where industrial and
flex properties get listed. Our
current criteria-<br>
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<div>1. Accessibility: ground
floor with wide doors,
accessible bathrooms, and/or an
elevator if not ground or if
multi-floor (or potential to be
made accessible)<br>
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<div>2. Price: the current rent is
around $9.50/sqft/year, and we'd
like to keep it under $24/yr<br>
3. Location: consensus is to be
within 10-15 minutes of BART and
major bus lines (that excludes
Dogpatch, Bayview, Hunters Point
etc)<br>
4. Size: 4,000 square feet, or
more<br>
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<div>When you prioritize all four
criteria equally, the number of
vacant spaces falls to zero. If
we expand the search to spaces
that we or the landlord can
modify for accessibility, we get
a handful. Or, at least we *did*
get a handful, but now the
market appears to have dried up.
Prices are rising, and vacancies
are vanishing as tech firms
continue to flood San Francisco.
That's why the two spaces on the
table are not perfect.<br>
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<div>Call brokers and ask if they
know about spaces meeting our
criteria! The more people who
are involved in the hunt, the
more chances we have at
surviving this fall.<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>We're on your side, man!
Join us in the search! Don't
fight your fellow Noisebridgers
-- fight NB's impending doom at
the hands of the most nefarious
villain of all, The Market. :)<br>
<br>
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<div>Best,<br>
</div>
<div>Kevin<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi
everyone,<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
It was recently
brought to my
attention that the
search for a new
Noisebridge home
has included many
(perhaps solely)
inaccessible
places.<span> </span>Meaning,
the future
Noisebridge would
not allow me, or
anyone else in a
wheelchair,
walker, etc. to
enter.<span> </span>This
would eliminate me
from being part of
the community
entirely.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now,
I know the search
for a new place is
very rough, rents
are exorbitant,
and I would not
want to stand in
the way of
Noisebridge
continuing to
exist.<span> </span>But
I think there
needs to be a huge
shift in the
effort being put
towards finding
accessible spaces.<span>
</span>I have some
ideas listed
below.<span> </span>But
first, I want to
pose a question to
the community
because I get
different answers
/ opinions from
different people:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><u><span
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</span></u></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Is
equal access
for all a
fundamental
part of
Noisebridge's
mission?</u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I
don't know the
answer to that
question, but I
think it is a good
one to talk about
among the
community.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now,
as far as an
actual sincere
effort to
searching for an
accessible space.<span>
</span>Here are
some suggestions:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<ul
style="margin-top:0in"
type="disc">
<li
class="MsoNormal">*Include
disabled people
in this
conversation and
ask them about
their needs*
-this is very
important.<span>
</span>Please
don't assume
what people's
needs are.<span>
</span>Please
include some
disabled people
in the
closed-circle
Noisebridge
building search.</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<ul
style="margin-top:0in"
type="disc">
<li
class="MsoNormal">Call
and ask the
landlord exactly
what
accessibility
looks like.<span>
</span>How many
steps are there?<span>
</span>What is
the size of the
door, gate, etc?<span>
</span>How
narrow / wide
are hallways and
entry areas?<span>
</span>Is there
a large
single-occupancy
bathroom? <span>
</span>What
is the slope of
the entry way?<span>
</span> Is there
a working
elevator?<span>
</span>Relay
this information
to disabled
members for
feedback and
input /<u>before</u>/
going to a
space, taking
pictures, and
getting really
attached to it.</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<ul
style="margin-top:0in"
type="disc">
<li
class="MsoNormal">Reach
out to
organizations
and do an
internet search
for
accessibility
options, and
laws around
construction and
such.<span> </span>You,
yes, /you/ can
actually step up
to do some of
this research.<span>
</span>Call:</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>
</span><i>Senior
Disability
Action (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://sdaction.org/" target="_blank">https://sdaction.org/</a><span>
</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28415%29%20546-1333" value="+14155461333" target="_blank">(415)
546-1333</a>)</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span>
</span>ILRC (<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.ilrcsf.org/" target="_blank">https://www.ilrcsf.org/</a>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28415%29%20543-6222" value="+14155436222" target="_blank">(415)
543-6222</a>)</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>
</span>or similar
places to ask for
advice.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I
want to be clear
that I don't
expect to be a
part of
Noisebridge come
August.<span> </span>I
know finding an
accessible space
is going to be
really, really
hard.<span> </span>I
do ask that people
really try though.<span>
</span> That
includes educating
ourselves around
access and
including disabled
people in the
search and in the
conversation.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I
plan on attending
the meeting
tonight (which
hopefully happens)
in case anyone
wants to discuss
this stuff with
me.<span> </span>I
do ask however,
that you do not
vent your
frustrations on
me.<span> </span>I
do not want to be
the scapegoat for
San Francisco's
problems with ADA
access and high
rents.<span> </span>As
the most active
wheelchair-using
member of
Noisebridge I have
had to work
overtime educating
people about
access, ableism,
and advocating for
myself.<span> </span>It's
exhausting.<span>
</span>I am just
trying to be a
part of the
community and I
hope everyone can
understand and
respect that.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks
for reading this
and taking the
time to care about
these issues. I
look forward to
our conversation
and growth as a
community
together.<span
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<p
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