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<tt>+1 and thank you. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/28/2018 01:38 AM, jarrod hicks
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<div>I think people outside of our Slack are effectively
excluded from full participation in our location searching,
since that is where the collaboration is being done. We aren't
having new-space meetings and updates regarding the search
aren't really going out to the discussion list or wiki. (I've
certainly failed in this regard) I think the last new space
meeting was in December and it was Kevin who put the notes on
discuss.<br>
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<div>It may help us move forward better as a whole if we get
more of the new space discussion here instead of on, or in
addition to, Slack.</div>
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<div>We could start individual threads for the promising
locations or other discussion threads using a somewhat
standard subject line like: " - address or subject"
for easy searching and filtering</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 4:05 PM,
kprichard <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Hi Zach,<span class=""><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>"Is equal access for all
a fundamental part of Noisebridge's mission?"</u></b></p>
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</span></div>
It is! Nobody should be prevented from coming to
Noisebridge because of disability. Accessibilty is one
of the top criteria when we talk about when a space is
being presented.<br>
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In the nearly eight years since Noisebridge moved into
2169#3, market rents have literally quadrupled. Imagine a
Noisebridge where we're paying four times our current
rent, Zach.<br>
<br>
Philanthropist & membership dues would be $320, not
$80! That would leave Noisebridge inaccessible to most,
if not all. (That's more than double TechShop's old rates,
without all their equipment.)<br>
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To deal with that, we expanded our search to include
spaces that are not *currently* ADA accessible, because-<br>
a) they fit our extremely limited size/location/price
nexus (being only 2-2.5 times more money), AND<br>
b) we feel there's a good chance those spaces can be
upgraded to accomodate everyone.<br>
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<div>Note that I said "not currently ADA accessible." Of
the two spaces on the table today, one is at least 90%
compatible (and easily brought up to 100%), and the
other has a big hurdle (stairs) which the landlord might
be willing to help us overcome (I am waiting on an
answer). And remember that we have talented people with
architecture and construction skills in our membership.<span
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<b> "I know finding an accessible space is going to be
really, really hard.<span>
</span>I do ask that people really try though.<span>
</span>
That includes educating ourselves around access and
including disabled people in the search and in the
conversation."<br>
</b><br>
</span></div>
<div>A perfect space meeting Noisebridge's accessibility,
size, price, location needs will not just fall into our
laps. You can help Noisebridge by joining the hunt and
finding some spaces which fits our needs.<br>
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<div>Try <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://loopnet.com" target="_blank">loopnet.com</a>
and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org" target="_blank">sfbay.craigslist.org</a>,
those seem to be the two main services where industrial
and flex properties get listed. Our current criteria-<br>
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<div>1. Accessibility: ground floor with wide doors,
accessible bathrooms, and/or an elevator if not ground
or if multi-floor (or potential to be made accessible)<br>
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<div>2. Price: the current rent is around $9.50/sqft/year,
and we'd like to keep it under $24/yr<br>
3. Location: consensus is to be within 10-15 minutes of
BART and major bus lines (that excludes Dogpatch,
Bayview, Hunters Point etc)<br>
4. Size: 4,000 square feet, or more<br>
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<div>When you prioritize all four criteria equally, the
number of vacant spaces falls to zero. If we expand the
search to spaces that we or the landlord can modify for
accessibility, we get a handful. Or, at least we *did*
get a handful, but now the market appears to have dried
up. Prices are rising, and vacancies are vanishing as
tech firms continue to flood San Francisco. That's why
the two spaces on the table are not perfect.<br>
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<div>Call brokers and ask if they know about spaces
meeting our criteria! The more people who are involved
in the hunt, the more chances we have at surviving this
fall.<br>
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<div>We're on your side, man! Join us in the search!
Don't fight your fellow Noisebridgers -- fight NB's
impending doom at the hands of the most nefarious
villain of all, The Market. :)<br>
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<div>Best,<br>
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<div>Kevin<br>
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<div class="h5">On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Zach
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> It was recently
brought to my attention that the search
for a new Noisebridge home has included
many (perhaps solely) inaccessible places.<span>
</span>Meaning, the future Noisebridge
would not allow me, or anyone else in a
wheelchair, walker, etc. to enter.<span>
</span>This would eliminate me from being
part of the community entirely.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now, I know the search
for a new place is very rough, rents are
exorbitant, and I would not want to stand
in the way of Noisebridge continuing to
exist.<span>
</span>But I think there needs to be a
huge shift in the effort being put towards
finding accessible spaces.<span>
</span>I have some ideas listed below.<span>
</span>But first, I want to pose a
question to the community because I get
different answers / opinions from
different people:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><u><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Is equal access
for all a fundamental part of
Noisebridge's mission?</u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I don't know the answer
to that question, but I think it is a good
one to talk about among the community.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now, as far as an
actual sincere effort to searching for an
accessible space.<span>
</span>Here are some suggestions:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal">*Include disabled
people in this conversation and ask them
about their needs* -this is very
important.<span>
</span>Please don't assume what people's
needs are.<span>
</span>Please include some disabled
people in the closed-circle Noisebridge
building search.</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal">Call and ask the
landlord exactly what accessibility
looks like.<span>
</span>How many steps are there?<span>
</span>What is the size of the door,
gate, etc?<span>
</span>How narrow / wide are hallways
and entry areas?<span>
</span>Is there a large single-occupancy
bathroom? <span>
</span>What is the slope of the entry
way?<span> </span>
Is there a working elevator?<span> </span>Relay
this information to disabled members for
feedback and input /<u>before</u>/ going
to a space, taking pictures, and getting
really attached to it.</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal">Reach out to
organizations and do an internet search
for accessibility options, and laws
around construction and such.<span>
</span>You, yes, /you/ can actually step
up to do some of this research.<span>
</span>Call:</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><i>Senior
Disability Action (<a
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href="https://sdaction.org/"
target="_blank">https://sdaction.org/</a><span>
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28415%29%20546-1333"
value="+14155461333" target="_blank">(415)
546-1333</a>)</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span> </span>ILRC
(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.ilrcsf.org/"
target="_blank">https://www.ilrcsf.org/</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28415%29%20543-6222"
value="+14155436222" target="_blank">(415)
543-6222</a>)</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>or
similar places to ask for advice.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I want to be clear that
I don't expect to be a part of Noisebridge
come August.<span>
</span>I know finding an accessible space
is going to be really, really hard.<span>
</span>I do ask that people really try
though.<span> </span>
That includes educating ourselves around
access and including disabled people in
the search and in the conversation.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I plan on attending the
meeting tonight (which hopefully happens)
in case anyone wants to discuss this stuff
with me.<span>
</span>I do ask however, that you do not
vent your frustrations on me.<span>
</span>I do not want to be the scapegoat
for San Francisco's problems with ADA
access and high rents.<span>
</span>As the most active wheelchair-using
member of Noisebridge I have had to work
overtime educating people about access,
ableism, and advocating for myself.<span>
</span>It's exhausting.<span> </span>I
am just trying to be a part of the
community and I hope everyone can
understand and respect that.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for reading this
and taking the time to care about these
issues. I look forward to our
conversation and growth as a community
together.<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Zach</p>
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