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    <p>It sounds like Naomi used admin powers to make Slack work more
      reliably. Nobody was removed from the discussion, nothing deleted.
      She did however demote a few people who had a record of censorship
      and admin overreach. Those people are going to be unhappy that
      they lost a power, but who wants power anyway? The moment Naomi
      archives an active channel to stifle a conversation they don't
      like, I will get out my pitchfork. But as she's been a benevolent
      dictator (and Slack's model requires dictators), the status quo is
      that everyone who wants to communicate on there is able to. That's
      not awful.<br>
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    <p>--DF<br>
    </p>
    <p>On 1/25/19 8:28 PM, Naomi Most wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">With regards to this point:<br>
        <br>
        "Retaliatory actions are a problem because they lead to a might<br>
        makes right culture where people with power are free to take
        whatever<br>
        actions they wish, bypassing the rest of the community."<br>
        <br>
        Yeah, I agree with that.  That's why I don't think unilaterally
        archiving a channel where a discussion is taking place is good
        community behavior.<br>
        <br>
        At any rate, I'm not super pleased with being the "landlord" of
        Slack.  If it can be transferred to a non-person entity with a
        set of people who have keys to it, that would be better.<br>
        <br>
        --Naomi<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 12:18
          PM Naomi Most <<a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">naomi@nthmost.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Hi there,
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            <div>I did in fact make these changes and subsequently
              forgot about them, as the meeting was more than a month
              after.  When confronted at the meeting, I panicked.  I
              hadn't thought about any of that and wasn't expecting to
              hear about it.<br>
              <br>
              I was experimenting with a "chaos monkey" that uses the
              Slack API to randomly assign privileges.  I also
              discovered a few people who shouldn't be Owners or admins
              (like Miloh, since he's very much tapped out) and
              de-priv'd those.<br>
              <br>
              It's worth talking about who should be able to do what,
              and for what reasons, when it comes to communication.  But
              that's another discussion.<br>
              <br>
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            <div>Lying is absolutely not something I consider
              acceptable.  I'm not cool with what I did, and neither
              should anyone else be.<br>
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            <div><br>
              This isn't a proud moment for me.  I'm sorry and I'm happy
              to be made accountable.<br>
              <br>
              Thanks,<br>
              Naomi<br>
              <br>
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              class="gmail-m_-4457934938827952543gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan
              24, 2019 at 10:01 PM Pecan Avocado <<a
                href="mailto:pecanavocado@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">pecanavocado@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">While many people have
              already brought up objections to Noisebridge<br>
              using slack before (closed source, external
              infrastructure,<br>
              essentially a private club house, etc.), I'd like to
              address a more<br>
              specific issue with the current "Noisebridge" slack and
              its operation.<br>
              <br>
              On August 24th, 2018, the user nthmost, the primary owner
              [1]  of the<br>
              "Noisebridge" slack (<a
                href="http://noisebridge.slack.com" rel="noreferrer"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">noisebridge.slack.com</a>),
              made the following<br>
              changes to administrative roles (a screenshot of logs
              showing these<br>
              changes is attached):<br>
                - Lemons (formerly signal): promoted to Owner and then
              later demoted<br>
              back to Admin.<br>
                - Lady Red: demoted from Administrator to regular user.<br>
                - ruthgrace: demoted from Administrator to regular user.<br>
                - miloh: demoted from Administrator to regular user.<br>
                - ratikate: promoted to Administrator from regular user.<br>
                - yesac: promoted to Owner from regular user.<br>
                - fineline: promoted to Owner from regular user.<br>
              - On August 28th, 2018, multiple members of the
              Noisebridge community<br>
              noticed that the make-up of the owners and administrators
              of the<br>
              "Noisebridge" slack had mysteriously changed.  As far as I
              am aware,<br>
              the new admins / owners and the demoted admins as well as
              promoted<br>
              users, were not informed of this change with the singular
              exception of<br>
              miloh who had requested that he not be an admin anymore.<br>
              <br>
              In talking with people familiar, the following points were
              raised for<br>
              who may have made these changes and why:<br>
                  - Lady Red archived the #community channel.<br>
                  - Ruthgrace asked Naomi to take a month break from
              slack on or<br>
              around August 7th, 2018.<br>
                  - Ruthgrace, around the same time, requested that
              Naomi step down<br>
              as primary owner of slack.<br>
                  - I believe Lady Red also asked Naomi about
              transfering primary<br>
              ownership to someone else.<br>
                  - nthmost has expressed frustration with people
              shutting down<br>
              important conversations<br>
                  - since Lady Red and Ruthgrace had shut down
              conversations that<br>
              she wished to continue, it would make sense that she would
              want to<br>
              stop them from doing just that.<br>
              - During the reconciliation meeting on October 4th, Naomi
              stated that<br>
              she did not remove Lady Red as an admin or remove Ruth
              Grace as an<br>
              admin of the "Noisebridge" slack.<br>
              - On November 29th, 2018, the user beka posted a
              screenshot in the<br>
              bravespace channel of slack logs showing that the user
              nthmost had<br>
              made the adminship changes on August 24th, 2018.<br>
              - The user nthmost then responded to the screenshot by
              requesting IP<br>
              Logs (note: the user posting the screenshot, beka, would
              not have the<br>
              necessary permissions to view IP Logs whereas the user
              nthmost does<br>
              [2])<br>
              - The user nthmost then proceeded to change her slack
              "status" to<br>
              (iirc) "changing passwords".<br>
              <br>
              These mysterious administration changes make me concerned
              about the<br>
              security of slack and the integrity of the community that
              has relied<br>
              on it as a key line of communication.<br>
              <br>
              Given the totality of events, I currently believe that:<br>
              - Naomi is in fact responsible for having made the slack
              adminship changes.<br>
              - Naomi lied at the reconciliation meeting about removing
              Lady Red and<br>
              Ruth as administrators.<br>
              - Naomi's removal of Lady Red and Ruth from the role of
              administrator<br>
              was retaliatory.<br>
                - Retaliatory actions are a problem because they lead to
              a might<br>
              makes right culture where people with power are free to
              take whatever<br>
              actions they wish, bypassing the rest of the community.<br>
              - Naomi should not be an administrator / owner / etc. of
              any<br>
              Noisebridge infrastructure.<br>
              <br>
              Extra Notes:<br>
              [1] - For details on the slack permission model, see<br>
              <a
href="https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201314026-Roles-and-permissions-in-Slack"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201314026-Roles-and-permissions-in-Slack</a><br>
              [2] - Only owners and admins can access ip logs; for
              details on<br>
              Slack's IP logging see<br>
              <a
href="https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/360002084807-View-Access-Logs-for-your-workspace"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/360002084807-View-Access-Logs-for-your-workspace</a><br>
              <br>
              Screenshot of admin changes (top of screenshot is most
              recent change):<br>
              Link: <a
href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HSlouNZYUjNQ5AvPNqHNKUQ8JHNQIeOq/view?usp=sharing"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HSlouNZYUjNQ5AvPNqHNKUQ8JHNQIeOq/view?usp=sharing</a><br>
              <br>
              -- r<br>
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            class="gmail-m_-4457934938827952543gmail_signature">Naomi
            Theora Most<br>
            <a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">naomi@nthmost.com</a><br>
            +1-415-728-7490<br>
            <br>
            skype: nthmost<br>
            <br>
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      -- <br>
      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Naomi Theora Most<br>
        <a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank"
          moz-do-not-send="true">naomi@nthmost.com</a><br>
        +1-415-728-7490<br>
        <br>
        skype: nthmost<br>
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