<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"><span>Thanks Ben! </span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><font size="2">Me and my girlfriend are going to move in max two weeks, within a month we should have allocated space and resources for building the fermentation room and cold room.</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font size="2"><br></font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font size="2">I will be continuing to work on the design in two weeks or so
when we are on the spot and I have access to the Internet etc. I hope that we will be able to replicate this "cold room" under the food hacking base at OHM 2013.</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font size="2"><br></font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font size="2">Many thanks for tips, talk to you soon about it!</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font size="2"><br></font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman
old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font size="2">Sincerely,</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font size="2"><br></font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font size="2">FAA </font></div><div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"></div><div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </div><div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;">Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br><br></div><div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size:
10pt;">biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><br><div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</div><div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><br></div><div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;">"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br><br> <div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ben Kochie <superq@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> 091 Foods
<091-food@googlegroups.com>; tastebridge tastebridge <tastebridge@lists.noisebridge.net>; Richard Conroy <richard.conroy@gmail.com>; "foodhackingbase@lists.hackerspaces.org" <foodhackingbase@lists.hackerspaces.org>; Noisebridge <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:14 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] how to build up cold room - cooling system tips<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>The coolbot looks like a good solution to the problem. Basically what<br>it looks designed to do is cycle the compressor in such a way that the<br>coils don't get clogged up with ice. It's possible that this could be<br>reproduced with a arduino/raspberry pi type device.<br><br>You probably only need 10-15cm of insulation if you do a good job<br>sealing each layer and
preventing leaks. One thing you could do is<br>use mylar sheet (like emergency blanks) and foil tape<br>(<a href="http://www.3m.com/product/information/Aluminum-Foil-Tape.html" target="_blank">http://www.3m.com/product/information/Aluminum-Foil-Tape.html</a>) to<br>create a heat reflective and air leak preventing barrier. That should<br>get you a better insluation % than just foam alone.<br><br>On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <<a ymailto="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Thanks,<br>> Answers in the text as >>><br>><br>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br>><br>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org/" target="_blank">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</a><br>><br>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br>><br>>
________________________________<br>> From: Richard Conroy <<a ymailto="mailto:richard.conroy@gmail.com" href="mailto:richard.conroy@gmail.com">richard.conroy@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: "<a ymailto="mailto:091-food@googlegroups.com" href="mailto:091-food@googlegroups.com">091-food@googlegroups.com</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:091-food@googlegroups.com" href="mailto:091-food@googlegroups.com">091-food@googlegroups.com</a>><br>> Cc: tastebridge tastebridge <<a ymailto="mailto:tastebridge@lists.noisebridge.net" href="mailto:tastebridge@lists.noisebridge.net">tastebridge@lists.noisebridge.net</a>>; 091 Foods<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:091-food@googlegroups.com" href="mailto:091-food@googlegroups.com">091-food@googlegroups.com</a>>; "<a ymailto="mailto:foodhackingbase@lists.hackerspaces.org" href="mailto:foodhackingbase@lists.hackerspaces.org">foodhackingbase@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>"<br>> <<a
ymailto="mailto:foodhackingbase@lists.hackerspaces.org" href="mailto:foodhackingbase@lists.hackerspaces.org">foodhackingbase@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>>; Noisebridge<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:29 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] how to build up cold room - cooling<br>> system tips<br>><br>> an airlock style double door will go a long way towards preventing<br>> temperature dilution.<br>><br>>>>> yes that sounds like a good idea, I should not go to the cold room very<br>>>>> often, maybe few times per day so there should not be too much air exchange<br>>>>> with the fermentation room<br>><br>> The key thing with a cold room is how precise you need the cooling to be. I<br>> know a
few guys who do lagering and that is tricky to get right.<br>><br>>>>> The temperature in the cold room can range between 1-4C (34-39F) or so,<br>>>>> it doesn't has to be precise too much in this case because various brews<br>>>>> will be stored there.<br>><br>> If your insulation is good then your cooling needs only be active in<br>> restoring the temperature.<br>><br>>>>> I will have to decide on the insulation, I think that 15-20 cm (+-0.6ft)<br>>>>> of polystyrene should do the trick, with probably 2 drywall panels on the<br>>>>> top and some easy to clean painting. Option number two which may be more<br>>>>> easy here is to buy already made panels with steel coating on both sides and<br>>>>> polystyrene in the middle, they use it here a lot. However if I get that, I<br>>>>> need to get hands on some metal cutter and probably
welding gear and I'm<br>>>>> quiet inexperienced with both ...<br>><br>> Also if you can get your hands on a horizontal fridge like what you get in a<br>> supermarket for ice creams, it will provide a lot of protection as it is<br>> well insulated<br>><br>>>>> I have seen guys using this type of freezer but hacked in Seoul exactly<br>>>>> for lagering beer, looked good, I may use it in the future for the same<br>>>>> process.<br>><br>>>>> Many thanks, still doing research on the cooling unit but it looks like<br>>>>> that it should not be too difficult to turn the air conditioner to the<br>>>>> cooling device, there is a commercial kit called coolbot for some $300. I<br>>>>> want to find if they are open source and if they are not I want to find some<br>>>>> open source option. This will be amazing thing to do in Central America
...<br>>>>> I am sure some people do it already but many do not know how to do such<br>>>>> things, ohhh hackerspaces how much we need them!<br>><br>>>>> Sincerely from Jeju,<br>><br>>>>> Frantisek<br>><br>> Sent from my iPhone<br>><br>> On 13 Mar 2013, at 13:00, Frantisek Apfelbeck <<a ymailto="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Hi to all,<br>> I'm preparing proposal for a fermentation facility (which I will share soon)<br>> for a village project here in South Korea Jeju) and part of that is build<br>> up of fermentation room and importantly for this email cold room. I would<br>> like to ask if someone has experience with building up a cold room or just<br>> knows the staff. I have used many of them during my work both in industrial<br>> facilities and in academy environment but
never build any by myself. The<br>> major think at the moment is the cooling unit - what would be the types and<br>> prices. I wonder if there would be some way how to hack an existing air<br>> conditioner if so what types ... Important note we have access to a steady<br>> supply of electricity and water.<br>><br>> Few details about cold room. The temperature inside should be 1-4C (34-39F),<br>> the space is around a=2 m (2yd 0.56b ft(; b=3 m (3yd 0.84 ft); c=2.5 m (2yd<br>> 2.2 ft), the measures are just approximate I need more details, the place is<br>> actually quite irregular in it's shape, part of it is under the stairs (I<br>> should have details next week, once I have I make and share a basic Google<br>> SketchUp model). In order to get into the cold room we will have to walk<br>> through the fermentation room which will be set at temperature of 25C (77F)<br>> of similar size more as the cold
room, just longer and more narrow. The<br>> floor are tiles and concrete below, walls are first the two layers of<br>> drywall and below I believe solid concrete but I have to check on that (I<br>> certainly plan to put in some insulation like polystyrene). Note - I have to<br>> say that I'm quite a bit worried about the transfer of the heat from the<br>> fermentation room to the cold room ...<br>><br>> Up to now my impression about cooling systems which could be used is that<br>> they are above $1000 or even $2000 which is quite a bit, am I right?<br>><br>> Well that would be the basic details. I plan to share the know how which<br>> will be accumulated during this project as usually so it can be used by<br>> people in the future. I hope to replicate the cold room in the future of<br>> course, first chance may be this summer at OHM 2013 in Holland with Food<br>> Hacking base project, if everything goes alright,
the cooling space for<br>> supplies/brews is always an issue.<br>><br>> Many thanks for any help!<br>><br>> Sincerely,<br>><br>> FAA<br>><br>> PS I'm not sure at the moment how much I can share the financial details of<br>> the project (I think it should be fine, but I should ask first) but I can<br>> imagine $2000 going to the cold room (material/equipment) maybe a bit more<br>> but not too much ...<br>><br>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br>><br>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker<br>><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org/" target="_blank">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</a><br>><br>><br>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br>> --<br>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups<br>> "091labs-food" group.<br>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
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