Coincidentally, I am building a Linux distro for a Compaq Concerto (486 SX 25mhz) which consists of Gentoo using Uclibc and XFree 3.3.6 (hand rolled, required for the crap video card). I'll be using Dillo and FLWM on top of XFree 3.3.6.<br>
<br>I didn't say earlier because I was stuck on getting the x86 uclibc stages to build anything (they are 4 years out of date) but thanks to some gentoo users from Kazakhstan who never update their mirrors, I was able to build my way up to gentoo's state of the art. I'll be at noisebridge on friday night playing with this on the target hardware...if I am so lucky as to have this stuff actually build.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Corey McGuire <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:coreyfro@coreyfro.com" target="_blank">coreyfro@coreyfro.co am</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>You can use old versions of xfree too. It still builds under new distros.</p><div>
<p>-- Sent while under the observation of my Android overlord.</p>
</div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 9, 2011 2:30 PM, "Corey McGuire" <<a href="mailto:coreyfro@coreyfro.com" target="_blank">coreyfro@coreyfro.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p>There are other x serves you can use. Kdrive comes to mind. Its vesa only, which can be a problem on super old hardware</p>
<p>-- Sent while under the observation of my Android overlord.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 9, 2011 8:06 AM, "Brian Morris" <<a href="mailto:cymraegish@gmail.com" target="_blank">cymraegish@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I should be clear that Links2 is a fully graphical Gui browser with jpg and frame support. It is very good and clean about filtering out modern fluff. I have used it on newer machines to read news just because of that. But on old machines it is very pleasantly fast.<br>
<br>Of course there are mobile browser sites which should definitely not be ignored. Many can be gotten with a 'm' prefix eg <a href="http://m.wikipedia.org" target="_blank">m.wikipedia.org</a>; if you can hack it a browser can be configured to have an option to identify as mobile.<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Brian Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cymraegish@gmail.com" target="_blank">cymraegish@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Wladyslaw Zbikowski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:embeddedlinuxguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">embeddedlinuxguy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Ronald Cotoni <<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> recompiled kernel (the kernel needs to be recompiled to use WAY less ram).<br>
> twm uses ~800kbytes of ram which is completely doable on a 486.<br>
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Good point, I'm thinking CONFIG_EMBEDDED and<br>
CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE to start with.<br>
<br></blockquote></div><div>I have heard that -Os is actually faster on old machines anyway (perhaps due to the low speed of the RAM)<br> <br></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
It would be useful to have lynx/links as a backup, but most people<br>
prefer a graphical browser for everyday use. Conceivably one could run<br>
X to just launch a single fullscreen browser window and no window<br>
manager, if X were absolutely needed for some reason.<br></blockquote></div><div><br>links2 (FORKED from links) works very fast in graphical mode.<br><br>it appears that X wants 32MB RAM but maybe some of that in kernel.<br>
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I have experience with Mac of same vintage and I can testify that there are 72pin simms in larger sizes that work well beyond what the original specs said, That is there are 64MB and 128MB card. Useful to have one if you can.<br>
<br>In NetBSD the Xserver for Mac is configured to run in Black and White which makes it a Lot faster than Xorg which won't do that. I forget if Xorg even allows 8 bit color anymore, but anyway you might look into building Xfree86.<br>
<br>Don't be afraid of distcc.<br><br>Good Luck, break a leg.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>Brian<br></font></span><br>p.s. have a look at tomsrtbt, its fun <br> <br></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
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