[Build] [Noisebridge-discuss] I think I'm done helping with build out and the space over all

[Christie Dudley]

$80/month for maid service is CHEAP.  I could see us working with several
members to have a cleaning rotation set up.  (Gina charged us more than that
to clean 83c.)  I think this plan addresses the legal issues with the
membership for work suggestion.  Why don't you put this on the agenda for
the next meeting so we can make it so?

Christie
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> I see two pieces that may fit well together:
>
> 1) The need for a maid service,
> 2) potential members who wish to contribute, but are financially not
> able
>
> These would fit well together *if* we can outline the exact maid
> duties needed on a nightly basis, and a measure of how those maid
> duties will be verified as successfully completed.
>
> Unlike the normal excellence we require and should continually
> encourage. The people doing the maid service is doing a real job ---
> the pay is not money, but membership dues.  And, as a reward for their
> work, they get *real* membership benefits, like, for example a shelf
> -- or whatever benefits members get that guests don't.
>
> Now, since this is s job, it can - and should be - revoked if
> performance isn't up to snuff. This is another reason for the two
> clearly defined and objective points above (what does the job entail
> and how are the points measured).
>
> For example, let's say Glen agrees to do maid service every Monday
> night o in exchange for real membership. Every Monday, after hardware
> hacking, he does the dishes, throws away all food, takes out the
> trash, cleaned the hardware table, and sweeps and mops the floor -- a
> fixed set of duties, no more, no less.
>
> If food is found on Friday morning, Glen isn't responsible --  the
> Thursday night guy/gal is. However, if on Tuesday morning, old food is
> found, the floors are dirty, etc., Glen was clearly remiss in his
> duties and a note to the list like "Monday night maid service seemed
> lacking last night" could be posted. If this were a constant  pattern,
> maybe Glen could find another way of paying for membership (again the
> concept of a real job or real exchange of value is necessary).
>
> This way, this can scale out past the few very proactive souls that
> have been doing clean up because they have a strong vision for the
> place, but they are getting weary of doing extra work that is
> unappreciative, there is no value for, and for which there seems to be
> no end in sight.
>
> I, Glen Jarvis, would be interested in such an arrangement. But, only
> for Monday nights. And, I imagine you need maid service several times
> per week.
>
> Some of the tasks have already been outlined in the Wiki... So, I
> don't think this will be too hard to implement if there is
> interest...  Also, note, I still believe someone like Jim or Rubin
> should still br responsible for inspection and the occassional
> feedback that we would give our normal maid service.
>
> There may be other guests who would like to convert to membership, but
> need other ways to pay their dues.
>
> Glen
>
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:40 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >   i agree (though i'm not yet done).
> >
> >   i hate seeing people coming in to do their
> > things without taking any action to make the
> > place better or defend against degradation,
> > as though mommy and daddy will pay the maid
> > service. an example is leaving drinks and
> > food all around.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 19:20 -0700, Rubin Abdi wrote:
> >> Working at Noisebridge has been sort of like working through the
> >> year or
> >> so before moving out of my parents' house, except that after a few
> >> days
> >> the space lapses back over into a state of filth and and clutter.
> >> Most
> >> of our members don't actually take helping out with the space and
> >> keeping it clean seriously.
> >>
> >> It's like with the help of many focused individuals we're able to
> >> take a
> >> few steps forward while it only takes a day of general use to take
> >> two
> >> steps back.
> >>
> >> I find all this to be super depressing. Totally done helping with
> >> build
> >> out and any sort of facilities like role for the space. Please don't
> >> poke or bug me about helping to build or do anything in/with the
> >> space
> >> unless is involves the darkroom.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >
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