[Build] [Noisebridge-discuss] Wall idea for classroom

Shannon Lee shannon at scatter.com
Tue Nov 29 03:05:16 UTC 2011

I strongly oppose white walls. I think murals are best. Art everywhere!



Shannon Lee
(503) 539-3700

On Nov 28, 2011, at 19:02, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:

> i like the idea a lot other than that it's painted 
> on the walls. consider painting patterns on very 
> large sheets of paper or cardboard or cloth so that 
> it can be moved, either to allow the (white) wall 
> take a projector image or to move the image to some 
> other location. 
> On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 23:33 +0000, Ben Mushol wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have had an idea for some time I would enjoy seeing implemented in the 
>> most appropriate area. The overall project would take a few days and I am 
>> seeking feedback.
>> On of the classrooms could be painted gray. Superimposed over all of the 
>> walls (and preferably the ceiling but that may less feasible) would be 
>> reproductions of electronic schematics. The finished product could be 
>> finished with a matte sealer.
>> Here are examples of the kinds of schematics I am thinking of: 
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=electronic+schematic&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=m7V&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=8hXUTounAqGQiAL0n9yODg&ved=0CEgQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=684#hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=anq&rl 
>> s=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ERbUTuz1AeLfiALincWSDg&ved=0CD4QvwUoAQ&q=electronic+schematic+oscilloscope&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=bbb32f800199826d&biw=1280&bih=684
>> An oscilloscope seemed appropriate but if there are famous devices in 
>> electrical engineering and/or phreaking history in particular I seek 
>> references like that.
>> Logistics of time and/or funds for enlargments can be worked out after 
>> feedback. I would see it through from start to finish and contribute 
>> whatever I can materially, labor is free :) Projectors could project the 
>> diagrams to be traced or enargements made at stinkos and traced with a 
>> pointed wheel and chalk (what is the name of that device?)
>> Thoughts?
>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2011, jim wrote:
>>> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:15:21 -0800
>>> From: jim <jim at well.com>
>>> To: Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com>
>>> Cc: build <build at lists.noisebridge.net>, Mike Schachter <mike at mindmech.com>,
>>>    NoiseBridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Build] [Noisebridge-discuss] Wall Status--paint hue
>>>    choices--white-white is best
>>>   as to painting, i'm guessing the 5 gallons of primer we
>>> now have is PVA white.
>>>   if we're gong to put a top coat over it, i recommend
>>> white-white, which has the greatest index of reflectivity
>>> (about 95%; the lightest off-white has 90%, and most very
>>> light colors reflect less than 90% of the light, some
>>> light and all medium saturated colors are in the 70s or
>>> less).
>>>   Not only do we get much more efficient use of lighting
>>> with white-white, but we have much better control of color
>>> in the space. note that a commitment to some hue (e.g. blue)
>>> limits the possibilities of any decorations or alternate
>>> colors in the space. white-white lets us put up the greatest
>>> variety of posters and other colored objects without clumsy
>>> color rhythms.
>>> On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 10:13 -0800, Shannon Lee wrote:
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>> I believe that the mudding is finished in Church; what's going to be
>>>> needed in there is sanding and painting.  If you feel like
>>>> contributing, grab some sand paper from the drawer in the shop and get
>>>> to it!
>>>> Warning: this is an incredibly dusty endeavor.
>>>> --S
>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Mike Schachter <mike at mindmech.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>        Hey Shannon, thanks to you and everyone else
>>>>        for improving the space! I've been a long time
>>>>        Church room enthusiast and was gonna use it
>>>>        to give a little workshop tomorrow around 7pm,
>>>>        but if it's in disarray I'd rather show up and help
>>>>        out with something. So if there's a task I could
>>>>        take on let me know. Like, what are some basic
>>>>        things the Church room needs at this point, or
>>>>        will by tomorrow night?
>>>>         mike
>>>>        On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Shannon Lee
>>>>        <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Noisebridge,
>>>>> The walls around both classrooms and the shop have been
>>>>        extended to the
>>>>> ceiling.
>>>>> Sheetrocking is complete; mudding & taping was ongoing when
>>>>        I left a couple
>>>>> of hours ago, but everything was winding down, and I suspect
>>>>        that it's done
>>>>> for the night; when last I looked, Church and Turing were
>>>>        mudded, and much
>>>>> of the outside was mudded; the shop still needs to be mudded
>>>>        inside and out.
>>>>> I will likely not be back to this until this weekend, but
>>>>        anyone else who
>>>>> wants to mud is more than welcome to do so; and of course,
>>>>        after mudding
>>>>> comes sanding, and after sanding comes...
>>>>> Painting:
>>>>> We bought a 5 gallon bucket of primer, which I plan to put
>>>>        up sometime,
>>>>> maybe next weekend; but honestly, we really, really don't
>>>>        need any more vast
>>>>> expanses of white walls.  Someone who has a Vision of what
>>>>        the walls should
>>>>> look like, and the artistic skill to execute said vision,
>>>>        should make them
>>>>> be something other than white.  We really need some color on
>>>>        those walls.
>>>>> Murals are totally welcome, simple non-white color schemes
>>>>        are equally
>>>>> welcome, but someone for God's sake do something.
>>>>> Power and Lights:
>>>>> Turing and Church are without light.  The shop has the light
>>>>        over the
>>>>> central work bench, and during the day is well-served by its
>>>>        skylight, but
>>>>> at night it's very dark. The neon lighting which has been
>>>>        serving the
>>>>> classrooms and the shop was in two long banks of lights
>>>>        which ran
>>>>> continuously over the three rooms; they had to be broken up
>>>>        in order to
>>>>> allow for walls to be installed.  I understand that there's
>>>>        a plan in place
>>>>> to make the remaining lights light up; Jim even expressed a
>>>>        revolutionary
>>>>> idea whereby the lights in a particular room would be
>>>>        controlled by a switch
>>>>> *in that room* so that the people occupying the room could
>>>>        control their
>>>>> need for artifical light.
>>>>> The power rail above the table in the shop is still powered;
>>>>        the rail has
>>>>> been removed from Church and Turing -- again, to make way
>>>>        for walls.  Turing
>>>>> is well-served by its own 20-amp circuit and a *lot* of
>>>>        outlets at various
>>>>> convenient leves; Chuch, however, currently has no power of
>>>>        any kind.  I
>>>>> believe there is a plot afoot to power it, as well as to
>>>>        mount a projector
>>>>> and projector screen back there.
>>>>> If you'd like to be involved in getting power and lights
>>>>        where power and
>>>>> lights should go, I refer you to Jim's missive on the topic
>>>>        in a previous
>>>>> email thread, as well as to Jim, SuperQ and Miloh, who are
>>>>        all variously
>>>>> working on this stuff.
>>>>> Doors:
>>>>> Doors are needed for the shop, and possibly for Turing and
>>>>        the Turing-Church
>>>>> Intra-Classroom Door.  The big doorway leading to the shop
>>>>        needs (ideally)
>>>>> double swinging doors, of the type you find in restraunt
>>>>        kitchen and
>>>>> hospital settings; the other doors should all (in the best
>>>>        of all possible
>>>>> worlds) have portholes, or windows, or be made of glass,
>>>>        because nobody
>>>>> wants to have their class or meeting constantly interrupted
>>>>        by people
>>>>> opening the door to see if anybody's in there.  SuperQ is at
>>>>        work on the
>>>>> door problem; feel free to contact him.
>>>>> Lots of people showed up this weekend to help out, more than
>>>>        I can name
>>>>> here, but including a one-armed Bandit, a small army of
>>>>        purple-haired women,
>>>>> and an stray 9-year-old girl who came in with her parents
>>>>        after having heard
>>>>> Mitch on NPR and was put to work mudding.  Kaya deserves a
>>>>        special shout-out
>>>>> for the use of her truck for hauling everything; Danny for
>>>>        getting this
>>>>> moving, and for paying for a lot of it; and Jurgen and Zack
>>>>        for basic
>>>>> unflappability.
>>>>> As I said, many more people were involved to one extent or
>>>>        another, and I
>>>>> can think of at least one person whose name I've just flat
>>>>        forgotten; thank
>>>>> you to all of you for having shown up and Just Done It when
>>>>        it needed to
>>>>> Just Be Done.
>>>>> There is more still to Just Do; if you want a task, just
>>>>        ask, and one shall
>>>>> be given.
>>>>> --S
>>>>> --
>>>>> Shannon Lee
>>>>> (503) 539-3700
>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from
>>>>        science."
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>>>> Shannon Lee
>>>> (503) 539-3700
>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
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