[Noisebridge-discuss] Re: Draft Finance Policy

[Rachel McConnell]

I second this!

In fact I took the liberty of writing it on the wiki as a possible 
upcoming workshop.  People who want to attend please note down your name 
so as to encourage Meredith to do it!

https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php/Current_Events

Rachel

Mitch Altman wrote:
> You should definitely do a workshop on glassware!  That would be great.  
> And also workshops on other aspects of chemistry of interest to you.  I 
> think there are a bunch of people who would show up for learning chemistry.
>  
> Mitch.
> 
> 
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>  > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:51:08 -0700
>  > From: mlp at thesmartpolitenerd.com
>  > CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>  > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Re: Draft Finance Policy
>  >
>  > Mitch Altman wrote:
>  > > Though, the general feeling from discussions thus far (where I've been
>  > > around) has been: if you bring something to Noisebridge, you should be
>  > > OK with it breaking, or getting stolen, or otherwise becoming 
> unusable.
>  > > I'm not sure how we could handle it in other ways, unless the 
> equipment
>  > > in question is extremely valuable, in which case our insurance may be
>  > > able to cover loss.
>  >
>  > Honestly, my concern is not so much "OMG that was my $150 Liebig
>  > condenser!" as it is "oh shit, the condenser's broken and now nobody can
>  > do a distillation or a reflux reaction."
>  >
>  > I won't be bringing anything of real sentimental value (eg the glassware
>  > my dad bought for himself in college and then gave to me). I do expect
>  > anything I bring in to get used and treated well (i.e., cleaned and put
>  > back dry so that the next guy's reaction doesn't get contaminated), but
>  > realistically, glass does break (or stuff gets charred onto the bottom
>  > of it and can't be gotten off, &c). The situation I'm worried about is
>  > where some expensive and key piece of glass gets broken and whoever
>  > broke it can't afford to replace it, thus rendering the entire
>  > collection mostly useless for everyone else. I have a mostly-complete
>  > setup for one person, and don't have backups for a lot of my gear.
>  >
>  > I dunno, could we perhaps set aside $250 or so in an "emergency glass
>  > breakage fund" to cover accidents, with people paying back into the fund
>  > if they can't immediately replace a broken item? I also like Shannon's
>  > idea of putting up a "cost to replace if broken" list, perhaps on the
>  > glassware cabinet -- this can serve as an inventory as well.
>  >
>  > I could also give a little workshop on "lab glassware, how to use it,
>  > and how to treat it and your lab-mates with respect". From experience,
>  > when personal stress erupts in labs, it's usually due to people treading
>  > on one another's toes with respect to equipment and reagents. You'd
>  > think "don't take equipment from someone's reaction *while it's in
>  > progress*" would be pretty obvious, but in practice ... it isn't.
>  >
>  > Oh, another thought -- a full set of microscale glassware can be had on
>  > ebay for about $220. Some guy also has five very nice microscale kits in
>  > his ebay store for $995 right now. Most of my kit is either 24/40
>  > standard taper (the size you probably worked with in high school) or
>  > stuff that I've hacked to be 24/40-compatible with stoppers and tubing.
>  > Microscale glassware is 14/10 standard taper, which is much smaller, but
>  > it's just as easy to work with (in some ways easier -- you can do
>  > reactions under inert atmosphere using nothing but a party balloon), is
>  > *much* easier to store (a set comes in a sturdy plastic box with
>  > protective foam inserts), and is cheaper to replace when things break. I
>  > also have an organic chem lab manual which shows how to do do workups
>  > for 24/40 scale, miniscale (19/22), and microscale equipment, and would
>  > be happy to bring that in too.
>  >
>  > --mlp
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