[Noisebridge-discuss] a bit csonfused - no keys

[daniela Steinsapir]

The key name is  cyberkeys


On 10/1/08, daniela Steinsapir <danielast at gmail.com> wrote:
>  I understand, I think that the keys should be given to people that are
> going to be members only or you can give now some limited temporarily access
> for people to help out or something in between.
>
>  Do you know about smart keys  (electronic key, I apologize if somebody
> posted this already)  with those  you can give access or take access if the
> person leaves.   You can keep track to see who entered if necessary. But
> maybe is expensive and a hassle....
>
> D
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> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net>wrote:
>
>> Rachel McConnell wrote:
>> > We have erred.  At the meeting last night there was discussion about
>> > giving anyone a key who wanted it, but this morning after consideration,
>> > I am not comfortable with that.
>> >
>> > Let me be very clear, here: I am speaking now not as a board member of
>> > Noisebridge, but as an individual who has signed the lease and has full
>> > personal responsibility for the space.  We are not, yet, quite, a real
>> > organization so I am, personally, responsible.
>> >
>> > Please do not give anyone any keys who has not signed the lease, until
>> > we are a legal organization that can take responsibility.
>> >
>> > Feel free to bitch at me about this but please don't give out keys yet.
>> >
>>
>> Consider this me bitching. :-)
>>
>> We made a consensus last night. If we want to change that, we're going
>> to need to do that together, I think (and so we have all agreed). There
>> are a number of people in the mission who should have keys (paying
>> members that are well known to us). Those members that come to mind are
>> Seth Schoen, Shannon and Grey at the very least. All have offered to
>> bring supplies, to work and have kicked in significant contributions.
>>
>> Regardless of how comfortable any of us are with the subject in
>> general... I do not think it is fair for one or two people to block the
>> entire group on a whim without discussion after we had HOURS of
>> discussions last night.
>>
>> I'm speaking as an individual who signed the lease and has full personal
>> responsibility. I'm also speaking as a (board/normal/whatever)
>> Noisebridge member who felt that we reached consensus last night.
>>
>> I think we can come to a middle ground by doing a few things:
>>    1) Discuss on the board list the people who we feel comfortable
>> giving keys
>>    1a) People who have contributed a significant amount (of money and
>> effort) and who we know well
>>    2) We should discuss the kinds of activities we should avoid until
>> we're insured and a full legal org.
>>    2a) Please no fire art or complex chemistry until we're insured!
>>
>> Does this seem reasonable to everyone?
>>
>> I personally do not want to have a willynilly flip flopping board of
>> directors dictatorship. We explicitly wanted to avoid anything like that
>> from happening. I won't be ordering anyone around and I do not find it
>> acceptable for other people to take that kind of action.
>>
>> Unless there's an immediate physical danger, I do not feel like anyone
>> should be bossing anyone around, especially after we have reached
>> consensus on an issue. If it is felt that we haven't reached consensus,
>> I think it's totally reasonable to block and wait on an issue. This is
>> sticky if Noah feels that he wasn't heard. It's especially difficult
>> when someone backs out later. Neither are impossible but are certainly
>> damaging to the credibility of our leadership being reasonable and
>> consistent.
>>
>> With that said, I am happy to commit to discussing key issues in the
>> open. I'm totally willing to accept a block on this as long as we can
>> open a discussion about it. Specifically with the understanding that I'm
>> not going to go make copies for _anyone_ without discussion and
>> agreement from a majority of the lease holders.
>>
>> Best,
>> Jake
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