[Noisebridge-discuss] maybe something else we don't want in the space

[Jonathan Lassoff]

On the 10/100 networking device front, it seems to me that these are small and easy enough to get rid of that they might become useful for some project in the future.
If someone would like to test something out, I'd much rather they have a switch or two to play with rather than having to plug into the "production" switch.

Personally, I would say no to 10 or 100 Mbit/s hubs, but ok to non-crappy 100 Mbit/s switches.

It's not like we're crunched for shelf space at the moment as far as I know. Since none of these donations should have any strings attached, could we not just do a crap-sweep in the future?

As for the network for actual everyday use and abuse, I believe that we should have the best equipment and connectivity possible. If we can get the best there is and use it for something awesome, I would throw myself completely behind that.

I've certainly heard some concern on the lists here as well as on IRC over having "stable" Internet connectivity. I've done some work on the existing network at Noisebridge, and for what it's worth I intend to continue to try and improve the connectivity at 83C. Both in terms of "cool" features (e.g. routed public IPs, IPv6, multicast) as well as reliability.

It's my belief that you should be able to just show up and expect things to work - i.e. DHCP over 802.11x as well as wired Ethernet.
However, if you want to try out some neat trick (tunneling all traffic through Tor, tunneling to other countries, crazy strong crypto, etc.), I think that access to a seperate but equally-equipped network should exist for those users as well.

Cheers,
jonathan

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:40:47AM -0700, grey wrote:
> So we've talked about not having CRT's donated, which I think is a
> great idea.  But I've also been seeing a bunch of 10/100 hubs showing
> up.  I don't know about the rest of you guys, but these things were
> seriously out of date a decade ago, so unless someone is planning to
> strip the tiny linklight LED's off them for projects I'd kind of
> rather not see anything network gear like this showing up.  I don't
> want to rule everything out, but if it's not some combination of:
> 
> switch
> gigE or faster (10gigE anyone?)
> with a possible exception of: if managed, 100Mbps still acceptable,
> but managed gigE+ would be even nicer. ;)
> 
> Like, don't bring it.  We could be getting managed gigE switches for
> not a ton nowadays and I think such a donation would be great (even if
> it were some sub-$1000 soho managed gigE switch), but I really don't
> see what good some 10/100 hubs are.
> 
> That said, maybe I'm wrong - if people want to build out little test
> networks or something (which I think is a good idea) they'll come in
> handy?  But even then, I'd rather see test networks with better
> equipment.  Feel free to add your thoughts here, but is anyone else of
> the same mindset that these old unmanaged hubs are as worthless as
> crt's?
> 
> -grey
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