[Noisebridge-discuss] Meeting Optimization

[jim]

for clarity: 
   concensus is some kind of decision making process 
that tests for objection. if no objection, no sweat. 
it's a formal process. 
   i think robot mode is okay: follow the steps of 
the program, the job of the meeting runner is to 
run the meeting, stay out of the way as much as 
possible, and manage variances as they come up 
(i.e. go into non-robot mode and use intelligence 
when necessary, only when necessary). 
   my suggestion re the wiki was to use it more to 
reduce discussion at the meeting: i think the 
complaint about meeting length is important. 



On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 17:29 -0700, Christie Dudley wrote:
> Uh... you describe how the process is pretty much set up to work as it
> is...
> Although there are a lot of folks who are opposed to doing things
> online.  I think it's important to accommodate them.  I also think
> it's useless to just go through robot mode with a meeting.  I would
> consider someone just reading things at me to be a waste of my time.  
> 
> I'm also opposed to hard cutoffs.  But I think a good moderator would
> ask to take a discussion amongst a few people offline, to be brought
> up again once it's hashed out at the next meeting, so as not to
> subject everyone to those complicated discussions.  I don't think
> formal rhetorical discussions have any place as part of the consensus
> process.  It's not like we're voting on things.
> 
> Christie
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:22 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>         
>         +1 for the sentiment.
>         
>           can we improve integrating the wiki with the
>         meeting?
>           e.g. agenda for the coming meeting is posted
>         on the wiki. the evening's meeting runner is
>         mostly in robot mode and figures time allotments
>         for topics and enforces cut-offs (hopefully
>         zealots will have previously organized).
>           no decision is made at a meeting that
>         introduces an issue.
>           for any issue, a page exists on the wiki and
>         the community, if it's smart and wants to do
>         things other than listen and talk, promotes the
>         use of the wiki, maybe even requires it, to
>         flush and flesh out the issue.
>           all objections must be recorded on the wiki;
>         the issue reaches decision after all objections
>         are satisfactorily met per wiki discussion.
>           at the following meeting the issue discussion
>         is, hopefully, a formality (and therefore brief):
>         "objections are not yet met, next topic" or "it
>         seems all objections are met, are there any last-
>         minute new points?".
>           if so, continue the issue for more
>         wiki-wrangling, if not, decide: cherished brevity
>         in either case.
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 16:23 -0700, Al Billings wrote:
>         > I know I always seem to be posting to bitch lately. Sorry
>         about that
>         > but...
>         >
>         > After the last Tuesday meeting I attended and some of the
>         marathon
>         > sessions that I heard about following weeks, I've actually
>         avoided
>         > coming to Tuesday meetings.
>         >
>         > Time is a precious commodity. I think that is the case for
>         everyone
>         > but I find is especially true for me. When I know ahead of
>         times that
>         > meetings are largely going to be two or more hours of
>         anarchist
>         > consensus decision making, I decide that I'd rather spend my
>         time
>         > reading a book or working on projects at home.
>         >
>         > So, any calls to set time limits or to control the madness
>         will be met
>         > with my hearty approval.
>         >
>         
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