[Noisebridge-discuss] OT: battlestar wanted

[d p chang]

Mikael Vejdemo-Johansson <mik at stanford.edu> writes:

> On Apr 18, 2009, at 11:45 PM, d p chang wrote:
>> Mark Cohen <markc at binaryfaith.com> writes:
>>
>>> I will be interested to see if they appeal and get a higher court
>>> (don't know how their court system works), this outcome is honestly
>>> and obviously a "message".
>>
>> sweden recently passed some laws for isp data retention. i guess
>> things are getting more 'interesting'.
>
> Well ... IPRED is not about ISP data retention. It's about forcing  
> ISPs to relinquish data without involving the police - in other words  
> giving restricted subpoena powers to owners of copyright.

this will teach me to mumble about things that i've only been glancing
at. is it just copyright owners that can ask for data? taht would make
this law pretty different than people looking for mail logs or whatever.

> This distinction is pretty important - at least one Swedish ISP deals
> with the late development by double checking that they're actually not
> storing any relevant data in the first place.

that seems like the policy that pirate bay's IPREDator was going to go
w/ too (well other than their saying that they weren't going to carry
any data).

> Apparently - according to the people tracking and analyzing all this -
> there has been significant pressure in trade talks between Sweden and
> the US for the Swedish judicial system to "finally get their act
> together and nail those bastards".

i think that this sort of thing comes up in a lot of the trade
negotiations. a friend of mine has started differentiating between
movies and tv (since he gets every channel ever), but we fear that the
law would just label him a 'bastard'.

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