[Noisebridge-discuss] Spaces and tradeoffs (was Re: viewing report: 50 Juniper)

[Christie Dudley]

I don't know...  BMOrg took a demolition lease and it seemed to work
out alright for them.  Well, except they weren't in an "if the economy
gets better"

It's clear from looking at their website that this property is owned
by a developer.  Developers who own many million+ sq. ft. properties
in the bay area.  Disparaging comments aside, I think they'd consider
it a real boon to be able to get this space occupied for the write-off
we would afford them.  The obviously are not holding this property for
the purpose of the onesy twosey lease market that we're in.

It'd probably also be trivial for them to get their workmen to do the
modifications we'd want, as it'd keep their people busy, as they're
likely inventing makework projects for their best people anyway.  It'd
probably be on a really weird schedule, though.

And for "hands off" management?  See above.  So long as they don't
have to think about us, we won't have to think about them.  It's all
good until they can use the property for what they bought it for - a
much larger development.

There obviously won't be any capital improvements to the space (HVAC,
etc) but I do like it... Then again, the bias here involves all those
lovely pictures of 66 blocks.  Ah, the memories...

How would we go about setting up an evening viewing in relation to
next week's meeting like we did for the Mission space?  I realize it's
a bit too far to just have a "pre-meeting" viewing, and we'd
definitely want to go back to our own space so we can talk smack about
the landlords.

How can we proceed?

Christie

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 Disrupting paradigms since 1967



On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Praveen Sinha<dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm very attached to the mission, and don't think some buildout is a bad
> idea.  That said, I think it's more important to get into a bigger space and
> will definately go for soma locations, including this one if thats where the
> momentum is.
>
> That said, this place has a moveout on demolition clause -- I don't know the
> details of it (although someone said that it is slated in 2 years) and if we
> would be compensated for a moveout, but do we really want to move into a
> place that we will basically need to leave in 2 years or once the real
> estate market picks back up?
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 05:15:39PM -0700, Christie Dudley wrote:
>> > You know, I'd love to comment on the 410 Clementina space, but I know
>> > nothing about it save the address and some vague references to working
>> > out a deal for donation by the landlord.  Has there been a viewing
>> > report posted?  I'm not coming up with that in a search...
>>
>> It's on the wiki and I thought I emailed the photos link:
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Moving
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Moving/410_Clementina
>>
>> -andy
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