[Noisebridge-discuss] Consensus and the "old ways".

[David Kelso]

Generally I keep out of these discussions, due to the vigor with which
they are fought.
I would just like to add a +1 to Crutcher's statements, specifically:

> People don't always agree. Sometimes they stop fighting, if you yell at them
> enough. You haven't convinced them, you just beaten them down. I'd prefer a
> vote over the abuse. That's what I want changed.

I'm not much of a fighter. There is a reason I don't turn up for
meetings any more. This conversation itself is a proof of how hard it
is to suggest a change without a lot of resistance.

I would much prefer a voting system.

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> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you believe that dissent and discord are reasons to abandon a decision
>> making process, then I'm afraid that you're right, consensus isn't going to
>> make you happy.
>> The discordant yelling is part of the process.  It's how you know we're
>> actually talking about something people care about; it's how you know that
>> compromises are being cooked up.  I would be a lot more worried about the
>> state of our organization if this stuff wasn't being discussed to death.
>> I think that the kind of quick up-and-down votes you're talking about
>> would just serve to either (a) short-circuit the process of actually making
>> a group decision or (b) give he illusion of having made a decision when in
>> fact everything's still up in the air.
>> Back to my previous question, do you actually have something you want us
>> to do that's being prevented by the consensus process?  Or are you just
>> upset by the chaotic nature of it?
>> --S
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Al Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We've already got people bitching about this thread all over IRC and
>>> elsewhere so I'm officially giving up on this for 24 hours (at least).
>>>
>>> I would suggest that anyone who hasn't ALREADY replied on this topic
>>> and has an opinion should do so just for diversity and variety's sake.
>>> Otherwise, it's just five or so of us doing rounds.
>>>
>>> Al
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>>
>> --
>> Shannon Lee
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>>
>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
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> Crutcher Dunnavant <crutcher at gmail.com>
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