[Noisebridge-discuss] Consensus and the "old ways".

Jason Dusek jason.dusek at gmail.com
Mon Oct 5 08:39:02 UTC 2009


  I've discussed my recent posts with a few people. These
  include Jake Applebaum, Shannon Lee, Jonathan Moore, David
  Stainton and Leif Ryge.

  Especially in my conversation with Jake and Shannon, feelings
  ran high. Jake left the conversation really unsatisfied with
  me. What I felt was "harsh rebuke" he found to be "malicious
  attack"; he felt "unsafe" and I was literally unable to say
  anything to that. Jake pledged to leave for a month and let me
  know he had really tried his best to resolve the matter. I was
  baffled.

  I spoke with Shannon some time after Jake left us; as I said
  to him at the time, it was clear that this had not worked out
  at all well. It was only in my conversation with Jonathan this
  evening, however, that I could see why it had not worked out.
  As I explained to Jonathan, it seemed to me that I had a
  choice between censuring Jake and simply tolerating a really
  extreme style of conversation. However, Jonathan stressed that
  there were other options available to me:

 .  I could have spoken with Jake or written him privately,
    expressing my displeasure with his actions.

 .  Similarly, I might have written a few people who know Jake
    better and suggested that this was really too much and that
    some discussion was necessary. Indeed, this is what people
    seem to have done with me.

 .  I could have written Dr. Jesus, expressing my sympathy for
    Jake's rough handling of him.

  In the face of my apparent refusal of these options, it's
  understandable that Jake should take my approach as malicious,
  as calculated to cause harm through public shame. For that,
  I must apologize -- to Jake and to all of Noisebridge.

  That I saw my options as so limited is now surprising to me; I
  suppose it has to do with spending a lot of time in
  online-only communities.

  I would especially like to thank Shannon and Jonathan for
  their patient clarifications. Shannon remained moderate and
  stabilizing in the face of Jake's and my extreme agitation;
  and his frank comments clarified for me the depth of my breach
  with the community. Were it not for Jonathan's remarks this
  evening, I might still be redrafting this apology.

  That I have clarity on the nature of my error -- and something
  definite to apologize for -- is a great comfort to me. I hope
  my apology offers comfort to all of you.

--
Jason Dusek



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