[Noisebridge-discuss] Deep Crack

[Jack Perkins]

As an outsider to the cryptography scene this sounds really cool to
me. I would love to know more about it, especially the history.

My question is this: What does this machine 'do'? i.e. Does one just
give it a code to break and hit go, or is it a complex interactive
project? If it's more the former, I have to re-enforce Christie's
question:

>>"But I have to ask why?  Can someone who supports this give a clear explanation to those of us not quite as enthralled with it what we would actually do with it besides bring it to the space, talk about it a lot, turn it on and watch it hum as it pounds away at some DES key someone found lingering about."


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Jason Dusek <jason.dusek at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/10/07 Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net>:
>> I had a conversation with John Gilmore today about picking up
>> Deep Crack. During our discussion, I asked John about donating
>> the machine and about a receipt and so on. To my surprise, he
>> isn't ready to transfer ownership of the machine to
>> Noisebridge at this time. This outright solves any tax
>> concerns, although such concerns would have been John's burden
>> anyway (it's up to him to value the item, not us -- we just
>> confirm that we received an item).
>
>  I would like to see this work out; while the terms of the
>  offer are apparently not what is usual, it is simple legalism
>  to insist on them given the nature of the offer -- it is more
>  like an exhibit than a donation. We wouldn't want to be unable
>  to accept exhibits, would we?
>
>  Some people have pointed out that we are unable to offer a
>  guarantee of safety for the machine. This is regrettable but
>  true. However, I will make a best effort to ensure people are
>  not, you know, putting coffee cups on it or whatever. If
>  appropriate, I can offer it water or incense.
>
>> I'm going to lead a time limited project involving Deep Crack.
>
>  It would be nice to know how limited -- 6 months?
>
>> From a legal perspective, I do not believe that being near the
>> Deep Crack machine is going to pose a problem for non-US
>> citizens. [...snip...] I have stood next to a non-US citizen
>> holding a part of the machine. As I understand it this is not
>> a violation of ITAR in spirit or in the letter of the law.
>> I'll talk with John about this tomorrow too. [...snip...] I do
>> however believe that a non-US citizen should not attempt to
>> run or use the machine. [...snip...] I will attempt to talk
>> with the relevant legal minds at the EFF...
>
>  This is a reasonable start on the legal questions; I hope
>  we'll have an answer on these things soon. It would be
>  unfortunate if we find we have to remove the thing (though we
>  may be able to get away with something like curtains marked
>  "Stay Back! US Citizens Only").
>
> --
> Jason Dusek
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