[Noisebridge-discuss] Deep Crack

[Shannon Lee]

It's been pointed out to me that this was overly flip and provocative given
our recent discussions.  I apologize and withdraw the snide comment.
--S

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:

> You do this by avoiding making laws, and instead relying on a system of
> custom and discourse.
> --S
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Sai Emrys <noisebridge at saizai.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Colin Bayer <vogon at icculus.org> wrote:
>> > [snip military crypto law craziness]
>>
>> ... wow, that's pretty dense even for me to read. I admire your
>> ability to make some sense of that.
>>
>> A few other relevant bits:
>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/22/usc_sec_22_00002778----000-.html
>> http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/22/39/IV/2791
>>
>> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr;sid=073fa0fdecf2cf0c680ae04bdc74c4ef;rgn=div5;view=text;node=22%3A1.0.1.13.65;idno=22;cc=ecfr
>>
>> AFAICT the restrictions are only on export or sale to foreign
>> nationals (neither of which is contemplated AFAICT). I don't see
>> anything that says that e.g. NB-affiliated non-US citizens can't
>> simply *use* it, despite its being possibly "significant military
>> equipment". Or for that matter, that we might not make it publicly
>> available to anyone willing to paypal us the power bill. (Though
>> perhaps this'd come under some obscure interpretation of 'export'?)
>>
>> There are also at least some exemptions for scientific & research use,
>> which I think we qualify as. But this chunk of law is incredibly
>> obtuse, so I may well have missed something.
>>
>>
>> OT, I wonder if this issue of the law keeping up with tech is
>> intractable. To fix it one would need to either make laws very quickly
>> (as such things go - i.e. within 1 yr or so), or somehow make a law
>> about tech that isn't conceived of yet. Both seem like pretty hard
>> problems. (And then they'd have to face the difficulty of trying to
>> actually enforce those laws.... viz what happened to decss. :-P)
>>
>> - Sai
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