[Noisebridge-discuss] Solutions? (was OMG Problems!)

[Christie Dudley]

I like your thoughts on the lost drink solution.  I know I lose my drink ALL
THE TIME.  Sometimes I never find it after looking a reasonable amount of
time.  I suspect this is how 3/4 of all the drinks get left in the space.

I think mugs would be fun, and would also encourage people to wash their
stuff.  "Dude, the mug with your name on it is gross!"  But more work than
drinking straight out of the bottle.

Christie
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:43 PM, John Magolske <listmail at b79.net> wrote:

> * Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> [091018 12:22]:
> > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM, John Magolske <listmail at b79.net>
> wrote:
> > > While it would be good that a cleaning person not be adverse to
> > > picking up bottles & half-eaten burritos, I feel strongly that
> > > members should not leave these items around, and that we as a
> > > group should try to find constructive ways to help each other not
> > > be so sloppy
> >
> > The "leaving your goddamned bottles around is a MORTAL SIN"
> > discussion is just another example of a social problem which is
> > harder than it looks, and which can cause immense problems when it's
> > tackled naively.
>
> Agreed. For example, I have definitely found myself getting upset over
> the situation of bottles & food leavings being scattered around the
> space. Yesterday I was talking with Jim about shelving & such, walking
> to this corner & that in the space. Then, at one point I thought, oh,
> where's my Club Mate bottle?? I did find it, but if in that 20-minute
> separation a hyper-vigilant someone in cleaning-mode had grabbed the
> half-full bottle & tossed it, I would've been upset about that too.
> This made me think of one possible solution:
>
> Those foam rubber "beer-can-chiller" thingies with a Noisebridge logo
> and a field for $USERNAME. This would make it easy to help drinks get
> reunited with the drinker, and also make it easy to avoid accidentally
> drinking someone else's drink (think cold & flu season). Might not
> be everyone's choice... So, how about an elastic band of some sort
> with your name on it? Something to identify the bottle/cup/etc. Also,
> we've discussed the possibility of having Noisebridge mugs printed
> up...could they have a matte section somehow where an individual could
> personalize it with their name? Even if it were a sand-blasted section
> on the bottom, something to make it easy to identify in the event it
> gets misplaced or forgotten. These sorts of things could help serve as
> a feedback loop, and perhaps be part of a solution.
>
> > The solution to this problem is to approach it as a Task To Be
> > Handled (eg, cleaning up) rather than as a Behavior To Be Enforced.
> > We can either form a Janitorial Crew, who handle this on a volunteer
> > basis, or we can hire someone to do it. In the past, we've hired
> > someone; I think we should do so again.
>
> From my experience with rodent infestation, I found it critical to
> not leave any food about whatsoever overnight. Food at 2169 will need
> to be cleaned up on a daily basis. I think we can accomplish this if
> we make it a priority and engage creativity + effort. A janitorial
> service will not be a solution unless they come in on a daily basis.
>
> Personally, I think periodic "Time out! All hands on deck!" cleaning
> sprints could work. It's generally a good thing ergonomically speaking
> to take periodic breaks from sitting hunched over a computer or
> desk anyhow. To do this together in a community-building way while
> addressing the state of the space would only be that much more
> fun! Also, this sort of arrangement would have recently-abandoned
> food & drink items in closer space-time proximity to the otherwise
> preoccupied eater/drinker -- they'd likely be a part of the clean up
> crew & would have the opportunity to eat or otherwise re-purpose said
> items, preventing them from becoming landfill or rodent chow.
>
> I'm thinking one or two 5-minute communal cleaning sprints per day
> would go a long ways towards keeping the space in good shape. Perhaps
> the "All hands on deck" alert could be announced via the sound-system
> in a seductive voice that draws people to the task at hand (as apposed
> to, say, a stern, cold, machine-like type of voice).
>
> Anyhow, those are just some ideas, I'm sure other folks have more...
>
> John
>
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