[Noisebridge-discuss] Be Excellent to one another

[peter]

Hold up!

Everything that Andy has said is comically and unknowably reasonable.
We should be thanking him for attempting to keep the space in line and
productive, even though he has to fight an army of trolls and a see of
jackassery to get anything done.

Andy, I commend your email and agree with you on all points. As
someone who helped develope the code of conduct over 9000 years ago, I
can personally say that everything listed in Andy's email seems
completely in line with the intentions of those who wrote it. That
said, this is an anarchist space, so our intentions don't mean jack
crap. Just putting my $.02 out there.

Additionally, I have consumed alcohol at noisebridge many times, and
managed to not be drunk AND disorderly. Just drunk.

Also Also, through long chains of hearsay, it seems that from time to
time members of NB show up on the previously mentioned LSD and it has
never been a problem, as they have stayed excellent to their fellow
noisebridgers, so please do not use such scare tactics. That's for the
NSA, DHS, etc.

Many loving, but only asked for, hugs and kisses,
Peter

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Miah Johnson <miah at chia-pet.org> wrote:
> This argument can go in many different directions. I think its obvious
> people have made an attempt to be excellent to each other and I think
> its ridiculous that its got to this point. Everybody has different
> opinions and it seems that the opinions of a few *elite* members
> outweighs the opinions of the majority.
>
> I respect that people have allergies, and things affect them in
> different ways. I think it sucks. I have allergies too, and because of
> them I basically cannot live happily in the midwest or on the east
> coast. For me those areas mean I'm stuffed up and sick for ~8 months
> of the year. Sucks for me, but San Francisco is pretty damned cool.
>
> A fun true story: I'm allergic to cats, and dogs. My parents knew I
> was allergic to cats, but not dogs. We had dogs from the time I was 4
> until the time I left my parents house at 19. Oh, my parents still
> have dogs. I still visit them, I have reactions when I go there. Its
> still worth it to visit them. How am I allergic? Oh swelling on
> contact with dog saliva, sinuses clogging up, super drippy grossness.
> So, please don't bring your dog or cat to the space either. I'm
> allergic.
>
> Additionally, if the topic is really "omg drugs" what if members show
> up to the space on other drugs like lsd, shrooms, or speed, or do coke
> in the bathroom? I also think that all alcohol should be banned from
> the space as it causes people to become assholes.
>
> Next up:
>
> The noises in the shop are loud and give me a headache, please take
> them outside when you want to use them.
> The leaded solder smoke is poisoning us all.
> MERCURY
> The sawdust in the air totally makes my allergies go nuts, but this is
> likely the first time you've heard me say anything about it because I
> understand that this is a mixed use environment occupied by many
> different people.
>
> Thanks, and please have a excellent day.
> -Miah
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>
>> Sai Emrys wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> - Please don't smoke on the fire escape (either pot or tobacco).
>>>
>>> *Is* there a good place to smoke?
>>>
>>> I ask because I have a legit medical need for the stuff on occasion
>>> (which a few of you have witnessed).
>>>
>>> I totally understand and agree with the reasons given for why it's
>>> problematic, just wondering what a viable alternative might be.
>>
>> May I suggest somewhere that isn't Noisebridge?
>>
>> It is likely legal and legit for you to bring a cat into the space.
>> However many members have expressed health concerns about cat dander
>> and
>> it would be exceedingly non-excellent to bring one to 2169. It's my
>> understanding that this is a similar concern with smoke of many kinds.
>> Many people have issues with tobacco or other smoke. You should likely
>> use your best judgment. In case you're still unsure, it sounds like
>> not
>> smoking in or around the space is likely a good safe choice. The alley
>> out side of 83c is a known good place for such activities. :-)
>>
>> I am reminded of the phrase:
>> "You don't have to go home but you can't stay here."
>>
>> But you know, for smoking rather than staying; unless you're
>> smoking. :-)
>>
>> Best,
>> Jake
>>
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