[Noisebridge-discuss] I am really disappointed with certain members of noisebridge [drama]

[Jeffrey Malone]

Adding drama tag.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:33 AM, David Stainton <dstainton415 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I am having trouble understanding Christopher Nielsen's statements
> such as:
>
> "Your professional opinion is wrong."
>
> I got a lot of respect for Crutcher and I think his professional opinion
> is to be respected. If you are going to discredit his statements
> then you must give solid qualifications to your arguments, sir.
>
> Christopher, what do you even do that makes you so much smarter
> than Crutcher? Your answer better be good.... Perhaps you are simply
> a better programmer and thus are able to understand reality better
> than he. Could you please enlighten us to this higher reality?
>
> "If you do not have permission, it is an attack."
>
> There Nginx loadbalancer was for a time, proxying HTTP requests from
> the Noisebridge network. If that ain't permission then what is?
> Making a HTTP request many times does not violate "permissions".
>
> I do agree Crutcher has an unfriendly tone...
> But that's part of his charm. So get over it.
>
>
> ~david
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Crutcher Dunnavant <crutcher at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 'The Law' doesn't see anything at all. It is a collection of rules,
>> precedents, and procedures which must be selectively enforced, because full
>> enforcement is not only impossible, but would be universally decried as
>> abusive.
>>
>> 'Law Enforcement' represents a collection of individuals and organizations,
>> each with their own de jure and de facto rules, precedents, and procedures.
>> Abuse, or 'permission' for that matter, depend largely on who is asked to
>> investigate, and on the expert witnesses they invoke. While it is certainly
>> possible to bring the law into this matter, I believe, as a citizen and a
>> programmer that it would be an abuse of the legal system.
>> So, to clear things up here:
>> * threatening people with frivolous prosecution => OK!
>> * pointing out that that's a dick move => RUDE!
>> Yeah, I'm so terribly terribly sorry for that. In fact, I'm SHOCKED!
>> Shocked, I tell you.
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Nielsen <m4dh4tt3r at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 15:37, Crutcher Dunnavant <crutcher at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I program for a living. I am saying that, in my professional opinion,
>>> > there
>>> > was no 'misconduct' or 'attack', and begining with fire and brimstone
>>> > seemed
>>> > reminiscent of other such threats made in the space lately.
>>> > Internet ballot stuffing is normal, it is not an attack. It has been
>>> > normal
>>> > for as long as there have been online ballots. AT MOST a poll is being
>>> > abused in a silly manner, but that is a technical problem with the poll
>>> > software
>>>
>>> Your professional opinion is wrong. Law enforcement and the law see
>>> things very differently. If you do not have permission, it is an
>>> attack. It is why it is so important when doing pen-testing to have an
>>> air-tight contract with whomever you are contracting those services.
>>>
>>> Also, I agree with Jason. You're abusive tone is not warranted.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher Nielsen
>>> "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary
>>> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Crutcher Dunnavant <crutcher at gmail.com>
>>
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