[Noisebridge-discuss] Block over email for noise pollution

Ian Atha thatha at thatha.org
Fri Apr 9 02:10:02 UTC 2010


I am making an argument (a reductio ad absurdum argument) against
blocks of the following form:

==
 Object X has undesirable effect E to person Y when used.
 Person Y has power to block presence of object X from Noisebridge.
 Person Y hereby bans presence of object X from Noisebridge.
==

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 19:07, Davidfine <d at vidfine.com> wrote:
> Are you gonna make an argument in favor of an upright piano, or do you just enjoy arguing on the internet?
> --D
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Atha <thatha at thatha.org>
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 18:49:29
> To: <d at vidfine.com>
> Cc: <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> Subject: Re: Block over email for noise pollution
>
> There's no rule that says blocks need to be not-stupid or productive.
> In fact, I believe every single block I've witnessed during my time at
> NB is considered counter-productive and stupid--at least by someone.
>
> Arguably, the pragmatic effect of my analogy (please argue why it's
> bad--badmouthing without due argumentation is counter-productive) is
> to demonstrate that my dissuading people to use staple guns since
> other options exist.
>
> It seems that your actual block, and my analogous block are of the form:
> ==
> Object X has undesirable effect E to person Y when used.
> Person Y has power to block presence of object X from Noisebridge.
> Person Y hereby bans presence of object X from Noisebridge.
> ==
>
> -ian.
>
> To clarify, I didn't _actually_ request people not to use staple guns
> or any other noisy tool.
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 18:40, Davidfine <d at vidfine.com> wrote:
>> (Puts on my jerk face)
>> Your block would not count because it is stupid and counter productive.
>>
>> The pragmatic effect of the statement I made is to persuade people toward options that face less resistance.
>>
>> Now I might ask, what's the pragmatic effect of that bad analogy you just made?
>> (Removes jerk face)
>> --D
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Ian Atha
>> Sender: thatha7777 at gmail.com
>> To: davidfine
>> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> Subject: Block over email for noise pollution
>> Sent: Apr 8, 2010 6:17 PM
>>
>> On the procedural, do people believe that, I, as a member of
>> Noisebridge, may I say something like this:
>>
>> """
>> I'm very jumpy--many of you have witnessed the effects sudden noises
>> to Z-axis coordinate. I tend to jump up a few feet.
>>
>> Being a member of Noisebridge, I block the the usage of any instrument
>> that produces sudden noises. For example, dremels (as long as they are
>> used for more than 2 seconds each time) are fine, but don't even think
>> of using a staple-gun.
>>
>> Whether I'm around or not, it doesn't matter. As a member, I block
>> their usage within the premises of Noisebridge.
>> """ ?
>>
>> Would my block count? What effect does such a statement have, pragmatically?
>>
>> -ian.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 18:02, davidfine <d at vidfine.com> wrote:
>>> For the time being I will block on any notion to bring an acoustic piano
>>> to Noisebridge. It's not a good use of the space. I'd support a digital
>>> keyboard because they can be played quietly, stored out of the way, and
>>> they provide a handy midi interface.
>>>
>>> Checkout the Yamaha YPG-635, it has weighted hammers like an acoustic
>>> and can be bought new for $560.
>>> http://www.onlineluxury-shopping.com/product_info.php?products_id=4889&cPath=25
>>> This keyboard has better tactile response than any cheap old upright
>>> piano you're likely to find.
>>>
>>> If you can't raise $600 from the community for an idea, it's probably
>>> not that good an idea.
>>> --D
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>



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