[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping at NB

[jim]

   for our community to enforce standards (i prefer 
"shared values"), it has to have commonly recognized 
standards, and for that it has to articulate and 
promote such. 
   these email storms tend to do that (and therefore 
i don't mind). someone suggested signs; i like that 
idea (and yes, i'll make one or two and put it/them 
up, as with the two i put in the turing classroom). 
   the wiki is another medium that i've learned to 
ignore because i find it difficult to navigate other 
than the front page (and that suggests possible 
weirdness and failure with signs). 
   ... 


On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 22:18 -0800, Shannon Lee wrote:
> I think that if we can't exert some sort of control over our space,
> then we definitely fail at being a community.  I like the idea that we
> can eschew rules and authority and rely on the community to enforce
> its standards through social pressure; but social pressure is
> essentially just as coercive as the enforcement of rules via
> established authority.
> 
> 
> If we're simply opposed to coercion in all forms, then I think we
> lose; we just give up and come to terms with the fact that Noisebridge
> is going to be and remain a crash-pad for whoever wants to occupy the
> couches and play video games, and we should find somewhere else to
> actually do stuff.
> 
> 
> --S
> 
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net>
> wrote:
>         On 12/22/2010 05:22 PM, Moxie Marlinspike wrote:
>         >
>         >
>         > On 12/22/2010 07:50 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>         >> Try to understand the reason each person in our community
>         sleeps on the
>         >> sofa. I'm not talking about people wandering in off of the
>         street but
>         >> rather people in our community who are on the sofa. I'm
>         pretty sure
>         >> sleeping on the sofa isn't the same as community membership
>         unless
>         >> they're sleep hackers. :-)
>         >>
>         >> In many cases, it's totally reasonable - the annoying part
>         is that
>         >> everyone has reasonable reasons. So in that case, I'd ask
>         you to find
>         >> the change within yourself and accept that there is no
>         perfect system
>         >> that also perfectly accommodates for any deviation.
>         >
>         > The classic anarchist joke, which I believe appeared in an
>         early issue
>         > of Harbinger, is:
>         >
>         > "You people are crazy if you don't believe in property, what
>         would you
>         > do if you came home and found a stranger watching TV in your
>         livingroom?"
>         >
>         > "I'd ask them where the TV came from."
>         >
>         
>         
>         I love this joke. :-)
>         
>         > I don't believe that Noisebridge can, in even the most
>         remote sense, be
>         > considered a "community."  Most of the people at Noisebridge
>         (sleeping
>         > or otherwise) hardly know each-other's names, which is
>         seriously
>         > light-years away from what really being part of a community
>         together
>         > implies.
>         
>         
>         I don't agree with you on this point - I think this probably
>         holds true
>         for you and it doesn't hold true for everyone else. The people
>         you've
>         hacked with or the people you know at Noisebridge are part of
>         the
>         community - it's simply a splintered community. The wiki is
>         one face of
>         the community, the cooking nights are another - we're not a
>         single
>         unified front but that doesn't mean that we're not a
>         community.
>         
>         All the best,
>         Jake
>         
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> 
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> 
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