[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping at NB

[jim]

   maybe move the screen to where the big pile 
of stuff is (near the fire escape) and move the 
big pile of stuff closer to the entrance and 
maybe shuffle member shelves a bit? 
   i'm willing to help but not do it all myself. 
this email is a query to see if there are others 
also like the idea and are willing to put some 
time and muscle into it. 



On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 21:48 -0800, meredith scheff wrote:
> I upvote this a million times. 
> M
> 
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Moxie Marlinspike
> <moxie at thoughtcrime.org> wrote:
>         
>         On 12/23/2010 01:09 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>         >> And unfortunately there are things about noisebridge which
>         make hacking
>         >> the motherfucking planet something you'd rather do
>         somewhere else.
>         >
>         > I think it would be awesome if you would list some of those
>         here. I have
>         > a really hard time getting upset about someone sleeping on a
>         sofa. what
>         > is the impact to me programming or reading? Perhaps that I
>         can't sit on
>         > the sofa?
>         
>         
>         There's a certain "geography" of a place that defines what is
>         likely or
>         possible to occur within it.  When you walk into Noisebridge,
>         the
>         chances are high that you'll walk into a room of people
>         watching TV on
>         the projector, playing video games, sleeping on the couches,
>         or
>         comparing fart noise apps on their iphones.  With a few
>         exceptions,
>         people don't go to Noisbridge because they've got a great
>         idea, they go
>         to Noisebridge because they're bored.  And this defines the
>         geography.
>         
>         The world around noisebridge has its own geography: sidewalks
>         are for
>         walking, stores are for buying things, the BART is for
>         commuting to
>         work.  The geography of the sidewalk makes it difficult for me
>         to ride a
>         bike on it, and the geography of a store makes it difficult
>         for me
>         compose a symphony in it.  Both are totally possible, but
>         there's
>         something about the way they're set up that provides a
>         cultural
>         resistance to those activities.  And so in many ways the
>         possibilities
>         of our lives are defined, and the only way to change that is
>         to change
>         the geography.
>         
>         When I see people doing things at Noisebridge that I consider
>         inspiring,
>         they always appear to be sort of sneaking past the culture of
>         what's
>         going on around them.  I'm not talking about a place that's
>         buzzing with
>         happening projects along with a single person taking a nap in
>         the
>         corner, but the inverse.  Ideally I think you'd want the
>         geography of a
>         hackerspace to encourage inspiring projects, not set up a
>         culture that
>         offers resistance to them.  If that's not the case, what's the
>         difference between Noisbridge and any other place?
>         
>         > I'd love to hear about other issues because some of them are
>         really
>         > probably something that does impact us all. It would be good
>         to fix
>         > pressing issues that push you away because you're part of
>         the reason
>         > that Noisebridge is such a fucking anarchist mess. You
>         personally. :-)
>         
>         
>         I think Noisebridge is a really interesting experiment in
>         public space,
>         but I'm sorry if I ever somehow gave you the impression that
>         anarchy is
>         "no rules."  Anarchy is "no rulers," which is very different.
>         Anarchists actually *love* rules.  The "circle a" was
>         Proudhon's
>         shorthand for "anarchy is order," and even the very first
>         anarchist
>         writings were all about ideas for... rules!
>         
>         I mean really, if Noisebridge is an "anarchist space" because
>         it imposes
>         no rules in addition to the state framework it is surrounded
>         by, does
>         that mean that Dolores park is an anarchist space too?
>         
>         - moxie
>         
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