[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping at NB

[Ever Falling]

inb4 81 more emails picking apart what heph just said.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net> wrote:

> Honestly I'm not sure how I've kept my tongue for so long on this
> thread, but here's my one and only bit of input on it.
>
> Fabian did something. He saw a problem, and implemented a solution (in
> this case, posting a picture to the wiki). He is a goddamn Noisebridge
> hero. Fabian, you're a doer, and that's about the highest title anyone
> can have at Noisebridge. Good job, sir.
>
> Someone else saw a problem with the picture being on the wiki, and
> implemented a solution (in this case, removing the picture from the
> wiki). Whoever did that is a doer, a goddamn hero, and holder of the
> highest title at Noisebridge. Good job, anonymous sir and/or ma`am.
>
> That was the end of the thread. It's the way things work in a
> community of doers, in a community of builders, in a community of
> hackers.
>
> The rest of you motherfuckers have wasted 81 emails, instigating
> drama, bitching at people, telling people they can't be doers, but
> taken no action yourselves. Your words are irrelevant, only your
> actions matter. If you're not going to do anything, don't try to stop
> others. If you know someone is doing something you don't like, do
> something else that you do like. Be constructive. Create. Build. Do.
>
> If you never do anything but talk, chide, condemn, or distract, you're
> as irrelevant as your words.
>
> Glad we could have this chat.
>
> P.S. Circuit Hacking Monday is tomorrow, don't be late or we'll make
> you repair circuitboards.
>
> --
> Heph
>
> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Jason Dusek <jason.dusek at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 19:01, Sai <noisebridge at saizai.com> wrote:
> >> I agree that posting photos/names is a dick move, though.
> >
> >  I am not sure why you (or so many others) see it that way. It
> >  seems harmless in itself, thought I can see how in certain
> >  circumstances it could be harmful. Discretion is advised.
> >
> >> I am extremely uncomfortable with the use of ostracism as a
> >> social control tactic. I think all of us can think of why that
> >> is, upon reflection.
> >
> >  I hope I speak for all members when I say ostracism is not
> >  acceptable at Noisebridge. However, mere censure is not
> >  ostracism. Ostracism is conscious and persistent harassment,
> >  exclusion and humiliation by the "in-group". Fabian is not
> >  orchestrating any such thing. He, individually and openly,
> >  called Patrick on his shit.
> >
> >  Only a few people at NB these days would even be able to pull
> >  together the kind of manpower needed for an ostracism. Fabian
> >  is not one of them. However, public censure is available to
> >  anyone; through censure they may submit any injustice to the
> >  community for rectification, upbraiding the community and
> >  demanding it uphold its standards.
> >
> >  Let all accusations of all persons at Noisebridge be made
> >  openly and to everyone, in the full light of day. If wrong is
> >  being done, we ought all to know; if someone is wrongly
> >  accused, we ought all to know. Public censure encourages
> >  moderation, honesty and accountability, bringing together
> >  community, accuser and accused to ensure the progress of
> >  justice.
> >
> > --
> > Jason Dusek
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